fernandopartridge
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Wasps wanted them to sign a 10 year deal a couple of years back, why would they want a short term one?
Wasps wanted them to sign a 10 year deal a couple of years back, why would they want a short term one?Ten years is hugely ambitious. I'd suggest that a more realistic option that Wasps would agree to is probably 2 years with an option of a third.
Maintenance would cost far more than management surely depending on your meaning, so I can't see this being agreed to and I think Wasps would probably want us to make a fairly reasonable contribution towards the pitch given that its quality really is far more important for us than it is for them.
Unsure what Wasps would consider as 'fair' for commercial revenue. Again, I just can't see Wasps agreeing to us keeping all the revenue earned from F&B or other commercial income such as parking etc. They didn't last time so why would they now? Also, lets just say for the sake of argument maximum capacity is allowed in stadiums next season (obviously it won't be), do you honestly think Wasps will willingly allow us to take all earned revenue from F&B given our attendances are likely to increase? Whilst games are likely to be played BCD for the foreseeable, Wasps will still inevitably have one eye on this.
I'd instantly walk away at a 2 year deal, we need long term stability not to kick the can down the road.
Wasps wanted them to sign a 10 year deal a couple of years back, why would they want a short term one?
Ten years is hugely ambitious. I'd suggest that a more realistic option that Wasps would agree to is probably 2 years with an option of a third.
Maintenance would cost far more than management surely depending on your meaning, so I can't see this being agreed to and I think Wasps would probably want us to make a fairly reasonable contribution towards the pitch given that its quality really is far more important for us than it is for them.
Unsure what Wasps would consider as 'fair' for commercial revenue. Again, I just can't see Wasps agreeing to us keeping all the revenue earned from F&B or other commercial income such as parking etc. They didn't last time so why would they now? Also, lets just say for the sake of argument maximum capacity is allowed in stadiums next season (obviously it won't be), do you honestly think Wasps will willingly allow us to take all earned revenue from F&B given our attendances are likely to increase? Whilst games are likely to be played BCD for the foreseeable, Wasps will still inevitably have one eye on this.
If that is Wasps position then I simply believe there is no value in going back to the Ricoh, particularly as they are struggling financially. Three years would provide no stability. Yes maintenance would cost more, but that's the point considering they are cutting up the pitch (although I can see an argument in sharing this burden, but it is important that we have control through management). If they don't provide us significant revenue then we are working against our own commercial interests.
The three demands I set out surely have to be our minimum guarantees, whether or not Wasps are likely to agree to it.
Wasps wanted them to sign a 10 year deal a couple of years back, why would they want a short term one?
Since when?
Thought this was a generally known thing, surprised to see people don't know anything about it.Did they?
Thought this was a generally known thing, surprised to see people don't know anything about it.
I agree with this. CCFC/SISU are in a much better bargaining position now though. If games are being played BCD (i.e. no fans at all) then there is little or no economic disadvantage in playing at St Andrews and CCFC/SISU can bide their time and drive a hard bargain. WASPS should be begging for a ccfc return.No I think he's saying that we could have already announced St Andrews but they are trying to get a Ricoh deal done. Chances of that happening? Who the fuck knows. Hardly gone well in the past.
It was further back. Things have moved on now, it makes no sense for an already insecure Wasps to turn away a long term commitmentDid they?
Strange if true as SISU asked for 5 years last season & Wasps refused saying they only wanted a short term deal:
NEWS: Statement issued by Coventry City Owners SISU following groundshare announcement
5 years is what the club were looking for when me & Pete spoke to them earlier this year.
No I think he's saying that we could have already announced St Andrews but they are trying to get a Ricoh deal done. Chances of that happening? Who the fuck knows. Hardly gone well in the past.
Yep, that’s my take on it as well. I’d hope Boddy is making sure Fisher is quarantined, blindfolded and masked up. Oh, a gap would help as well.No I think he's saying that we could have already announced St Andrews but they are trying to get a Ricoh deal done. Chances of that happening? Who the fuck knows. Hardly gone well in the past.
Rugby League a bit easier on the playing surface, scrums and a lot more rolling around in Union. As has previously been mentioned they make the surface work at Bristol so no reason it cant be done here, mutual interests and funds the difference between there and here though.Interesting piece about Wigan Warriors and Wigan FC. Both Ian and Darryl have owned Oxford Utd so proper footballing men. Football and rugby under one roof?
Comment: Why Ian Lenagan-led bid for Wigan Athletic makes sense
I agree with this. CCFC/SISU are in a much better bargaining position now though. If games are being played BCD (i.e. no fans at all) then there is little or no economic disadvantage in playing at St Andrews and CCFC/SISU can bide their time and drive a hard bargain. WASPS should be begging for a ccfc return.
I actually think we are in a position of power in the negotiations now... Attendances anywhere between 18-22000 over 23 match days, a couple potential sellouts with villa coming probably.. . plus sponsorship potential at the stadium with a second tier club etc... Wasps looking at record low attendances next season in Coventry .. Harder to turn away now... No longer small fry
that was how I read itNo I think he's saying that we could have already announced St Andrews but they are trying to get a Ricoh deal done. Chances of that happening? Who the fuck knows. Hardly gone well in the past.
half a million footfall to the arena. I can't see how they can possible turn it down.
This is nuts. We aren’t at St Andrews for financial reasons. It isn’t because they want too much it’s because they don’t want us there while the EU stuff is going on. Either they change their mind and we go back or they don’t and we don’t. All this armchair crap about F&B and increased profits is utter tripe
Then Wasps should stop lying and say they don't want us there then. Why come out publicly and say they've moved past the EU complaint if that isn't the case? Why the need for deceit?
Why the deceit on all sides? It’s a clusterfuck. Have you got a link to their last statement on this? I thought they weren’t talking publicly because of the NDA
The point I am trying to make is that while the covid-19 situation is still around, there is really not much (economic) advantage in ccfc returning to the Ricoh, all the financial pressure is on WASPS who could do with our rent.This is nuts. We aren’t at St Andrews for financial reasons. It isn’t because they want too much it’s because they don’t want us there while the EU stuff is going on. Either they change their mind and we go back or they don’t and we don’t. All this armchair crap about F&B and increased profits is utter tripe
Why the deceit on all sides? It’s a clusterfuck. Have you got a link to their last statement on this? I thought they weren’t talking publicly because of the NDA
Then Wasps should stop lying and say they don't want us there then. Why come out publicly and say they've moved past the EU complaint if that isn't the case? Why the need for deceit?
The point I am trying to make is that while the covid-19 situation is still around, there is really not much (economic) advantage in ccfc returning to the Ricoh, all the financial pressure is on WASPS who could do with our rent.
The point I am trying to make is that while the covid-19 situation is still around, there is really not much (economic) advantage in ccfc returning to the Ricoh, all the financial pressure is on WASPS who could do with our rent.
Ive been hearing about this so called financial pressure since Wasps arrived, it doesn’t seem to have made a blind bit of difference. No company turns down essentially free cash without reason no matter the state of their finances. This fantasy of “wait it out” frustrates me, even if they went bust there’s no guarantees of who would replace them. Better to focus on the actual hurdles and even better Sisu stop fucking around and do some work on getting us our own ground and avoid all this shit.
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