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hamertime

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,751
SBAndy said:
Well, I said not to be disappointed with the draw but the performance was largely insipid. There are a few serious decisions to be made. If you play Kane, then as far as I’m concerned the wingers have to be Gordon and Saka as they’re the only ones willing to run in behind. If you play Bellingham, play him deeper and Foden in front. And for fucks sake put a passable left back on the pitch (haven’t got one).

I got ridiculed for drafting up this lineup when we were at preliminary squad stage but it’d have worked a whole lot better than the shite we’re seeing:

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,752
Great game that.
 
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hamertime

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,753
Italy still dangerous at the death by guts not quality. We have all the quality but zero guts.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,754
SBAndy said:
Well, I said not to be disappointed with the draw but the performance was largely insipid. There are a few serious decisions to be made. If you play Kane, then as far as I’m concerned the wingers have to be Gordon and Saka as they’re the only ones willing to run in behind. If you play Bellingham, play him deeper and Foden in front. And for fucks sake put a passable left back on the pitch (haven’t got one).

I got ridiculed for drafting up this lineup when we were at preliminary squad stage but it’d have worked a whole lot better than the shite we’re seeing:

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I can draw and be content if the performance warrants it .. but that was as bad as I can remember England play at a tournament , even games where we've lost we've been much better
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,755
Don’t think Italy would be too disappointed finish in 2nd in this group to be honest.

Winner of group B plays a 3rd place team in the Ro16 and then most likely Germany in the quarters.

Runner up of group B plays the runner up in group A and then the winner of England’s group or a third place team in the quarters.

Feels a bit England 2018 where 2nd place gives an easier run to the semis than 1st place.
 

SeaSeeEffCee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,756
Evo1883 said:
I can draw and be content if the performance warrants it .. but that was as bad as I can remember England play at a tournament , even games where we've lost we've been much better
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It was very bad today but it was a great performance compared to the whole of 2010, Iceland 2016, Italy 2012, the whole of 2014.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,757
SeaSeeEffCee said:
It was very bad today but it was a great performance compared to the whole of 2010, Iceland 2016, Italy 2012, the whole of 2014.
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We were worse today than against Iceland IMHO who we dominated all game
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,758
Favourites for me so far are Germany.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,759
Frostie said:
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with what's he's said there, he's right. That's his preferred system & it's served us well in the past. The flip side, & the fans argument, is they don't want us to play that way.

The below interview was some months ago now & I think is pretty fair. Since then Wharton has really emerged though & I'd be giving him a go in that position.

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Give Josh Eccles another season…
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,760
Sick Boy said:
Favourites for me so far are Germany.
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Yep.

Unless Spain find their shooting boots (which, based on the last 3 tournaments, they won't).

Shocked to see Perez play for them.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,761
Okay with the result to be honest. Happy to have a wobble in the group stages. Easily fixable and tunes in the minds.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,762
Philosoraptor said:
Okay with the result to be honest. Happy to have a wobble in the group stages. Easily fixable and tunes in the minds.
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Don’t get this at all
 
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Otis

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,763
It's worrying isn't it. The reality is that only Guehl truly had a decent game. Flashes from Saka and Watkins, but that was about it.

Bellingham had an off game and I have never seen Declan Rice play so poorly before and Kane is so frustrating.

I would definitely be looking to make a few changes against Slovenia.

Time for Mainoo I think and then also for either Gordon, Palmer, of Bowen to start.

Be good if we could be winning the game easily with a fair bit of time left in the game, so we could get Shaw on for a few mins. See how rusty he is.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,764
The guy is talking absolute nonsense I'm sorry , people are starting to laugh at him
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,765
It's almost as if the friendlies and easy qualifiers are for experimenting.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,766
Evo1883 said:
The guy is talking absolute nonsense I'm sorry , people are starting to laugh at him
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Some of us were laughing at him long before it was cool.

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hamertime

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,767
It’s really simple, don’t put shit players like Trent and kane in the team. Play to our strengths and have an all out attacking set up.
 

Mcbean

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,768
What a shit show from Southgate - Trent out for a start would be improvement , he is the new Henderson . Gallagher looks like a League 1 player - Eze hadnt a clue where to play when he came on . The Danes were so much better organised - Foden not playing in the right position - post Serbia message from Southgate was get Kane in the game and fortunately he was in the right place for Walkers brilliant turn of speed

Shearer was on speed clearly

The pitch was a liability , so
Many misplaced passes - wouldn’t be surprised if there were quite a few muscle strains this morning
 

Frostie

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,769
Evo1883 said:
The guy is talking absolute nonsense I'm sorry , people are starting to laugh at him
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Again, every thing he has said there is correct & there are many challenges he faces but it's his job to come up with solutions.
As he admits himself, these are not new problems & the fact we've begun the tournament without a clear plan is not good enough.

It was his decision not to take another natural LB, Tyrick Mitchell was surely worth a look.

The whole set-up of the team is wrong too & the likes of Kane & TAA are being hung out to dry.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,770
Frostie said:
Again, every thing he has said there is correct & there are many challenges he faces but it's his job to come up with solutions.
As he admits himself, these are not new problems & the fact we've begun the tournament without a clear plan is not good enough.

It was his decision not to take another natural LB, Tyrick Mitchell was surely worth a look.

The whole set-up of the team is wrong too & the likes of Kane & TAA are being hung out to dry.
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He shouldn't be a football manager , it's no different to any other international team , he's waffling
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,771
Southgate's strength seems to be off the pitch. He's done a brilliant job of bringing the players together, putting aside club rivalries, and making them want to play for England again. Everyone who has played under him for England has said this.

He's OK at setting a team up and preparing them tactically for a game. However he hasn't got a clue how to change or influence things during a game. As soon as his pre game plan goes out the window, he's utterly clueless.

His only strategy at that point is bring on a like-for-like player and just hope they can come up with some magic. There's never a change of shape or instructions or anything like that.

He consistently gets out thought and outmanaged by his opposite number and it's been exactly the same since the day he started, nothing has changed on that front.

People can point to his record and say look how well he's done - well the flip side of that is how many trophies could/should we have with an actual decent manager in charge?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,772
PVA said:
Southgate's strength seems to be off the pitch. He's done a brilliant job of bringing the players together, putting aside club rivalries, and making them want to play for England again. Everyone who has played under him for England has said this.

He's OK at setting a team up and preparing them tactically for a game. However he hasn't got a clue how to change or influence things during a game. As soon as his pre game plan goes out the window, he's utterly clueless.

His only strategy at that point is bring on a like-for-like player and just hope they can come up with some magic. There's never a change of shape or instructions or anything like that.

He consistently gets out thought and outmanaged by his opposite number and it's been exactly the same since the day he started, nothing has changed on that front.

People can point to his record and say look how well he's done - well the flip side of that is how many trophies could/should we have with an actual decent manager in charge?
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Maybe we should have hired him as a tag along mate for the players
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,773
Don’t even know who we get in to replace him to be honest. Will probably have to be a foreigner because this country is dire at producing decent coaches.
 

TomRad85

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,774
This kinda proves the point about stats being useful but also needing to watch a game. Did anyone think Rice was good last night? I thought he was shite personally.

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PVA

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,775
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Don’t even know who we get in to replace him to be honest. Will probably have to be a foreigner because this country is dire at producing decent coaches.
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I think it'll be Potter and tbh I'd be happy with that.

He's a really good coach, with a defined playstyle and tactically very good.

Obviously he was poor at Chelsea but that club is a mess at the moment and the wrong move for him.

If we go foreign then maybe Klopp but I don't think he'd be interested.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,776
TomRad85 said:
This kinda proves the point about stats being useful but also needing to watch a game. Did anyone think Rice was good last night? I thought he was shite personally.

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I actually thought he did quite well given he was basically playing in midfield on his own with Trent just floating around.
 

TomRad85

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,777
PVA said:
I actually thought he did quite well given he was basically playing in midfield on his own with Trent just floating around.
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Ha well he was better than Trent. Low bar though.

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Evo1883

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,778
PVA said:
I think it'll be Potter and tbh I'd be happy with that.

He's a really good coach, with a defined playstyle and tactically very good.

Obviously he was poor at Chelsea but that club is a mess at the moment and the wrong move for him.

If we go foreign then maybe Klopp but I don't think he'd be interested.
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It's not our job to find a replacement , there are thousands of managers / coaches out there and many will fit the profile
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,779
Evo1883 said:
The guy is talking absolute nonsense I'm sorry , people are starting to laugh at him
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If he wants something different, try Wharton or Mainoo. Tell them to sit, keep it simple and just keep it ticking over and feeding Foden, Bellingham Saka and Rice. Problem with trent, for all his range of passing, is he doesn’t have a quick tempo to his game and can give ball away cheaply. Can’t do that at top level Having said that, so did every other fucker last night.

Southgate had a shocker last night but so did most of the team. Not seen a performance that poor for a while. Need a response Tuesday
 

Evo1883

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,780
I'd also ask anybody if they can remember a tournament winner that's looked as poor as England in their opening 2 games
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,781
Mcbean said:
What a shit show from Southgate - Trent out for a start would be improvement , he is the new Henderson . Gallagher looks like a League 1 player - Eze hadnt a clue where to play when he came on . The Danes were so much better organised - Foden not playing in the right position - post Serbia message from Southgate was get Kane in the game and fortunately he was in the right place for Walkers brilliant turn of speed

Shearer was on speed clearly

The pitch was a liability , so
Many misplaced passes - wouldn’t be surprised if there were quite a few muscle strains this morning
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And Maddison couldn’t get in this squad. Laughable decision,
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,782
Otis said:
It's worrying isn't it. The reality is that only Guehl truly had a decent game. Flashes from Saka and Watkins, but that was about it.

Bellingham had an off game and I have never seen Declan Rice play so poorly before and Kane is so frustrating.

I would definitely be looking to make a few changes against Slovenia.

Time for Mainoo I think and then also for either Gordon, Palmer, of Bowen to start.

Be good if we could be winning the game easily with a fair bit of time left in the game, so we could get Shaw on for a few mins. See how rusty he is.
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According to the ratings, no one scored even a 6 or higher. Everyone was a 5-someting or below, even Guehi. I don't see how anyone can say certain players had a decent game. They were all shit, just some were shitter than others.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,783
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
According to the ratings, no one scored even a 6 or higher. Everyone was a 5-someting or below, even Guehi. I don't see how anyone can say certain players had a decent game. They were all shit, just some were shitter than others.
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Guehi was good in a poor performance. Never a 5 or below
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,784
Evo1883 said:
I'd also ask anybody if they can remember a tournament winner that's looked as poor as England in their opening 2 games
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Portugal won in 2016 after finishing 3rd in their group with three draws against shite teams!
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 21, 2024
  • #1,785
Bellingham got the lowest rating on Fotmob last night , best 10 in the world
 
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