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Frostie

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,716
SeaSeeEffCee said:
The thing is we did actually play like this against France at the World Cup. We’ve regressed so much since then.
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Yeah. I don't think they were instructed to sit back so much tbf. They looked shattered & so lethargic. Combination of lack of fitness & tactical familiarity leads to zero fluidity.

As I've said (for years now!) it's a horribly imbalanced pool of players. The favourites tag is baffling.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,717
Frostie said:
As I've said (for years now!) it's a horribly imbalanced pool of players. The favourites tag is baffling.
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I disagree, it's as good a squad as any in the competition and even more so the starting XI. There are weak spots, sure, as there are in any other squad.

The weakest part by far is the manager and we'd have a great shot at it with a proper tactician in charge.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,718
eyesee said:
...tbf, it's kalvin phillip's job to take the pizzas off the conveyor.
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Where's that apprentice!!
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,719
Selfish bastard.
 
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Macca

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,720
The teams they play in at club level make them
SeaSeeEffCee said:
A lot of these players simply aren’t as good as people think they are. On technical ability levels it’s crazy how far behind the likes of Germany, Spain, Italy, France we are. It’s the basic shit like not being able to play a 5 yard pass quickly, not being able to turn on the first touch, not being able to play comfortably play pass from difficult balls. Just an unbelievably bad performance.

Southgate has to go as soon as this tournament is over. Tactically he’s got it completely wrong. The Trent experiment is embarrassing.
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Have said this a million times. Even non qualifiers have better skill levels. We get past them because the sum of the parts is better but technically we are shite. English players shine at club level because of what is around them. Been going on decades
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,721
That felt like a bit of a turning point against Southgate.

The pundits never normally have a bad word to say against him, old boys club and all that. But they were very critical of him tonight and presumably the written press will be tomorrow as well.

I think that Kalvin Phillips comment will be the final straw for a lot of people too.
 
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hamertime

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,722
Sick Boy said:
When you have people making excuses for Southgate after losing a final in what was essentially a home game in front of 90% + of your own fans, what do you expect? Any other ‘top’ football nation would have had him out the door within days.
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I was there and I seen everything I needed to know that day. Swap the managers around we win it. He’s a gutless bookworm who should never be near an England team. Puppet manager who fists kane when he allows it
 
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wantageskyblue

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,723
I don’t recall Kalvin Phillips being a regular starter under Southgate (am I wrong?) so what is he going on about?
 
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hamertime

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,724
wantageskyblue said:
I don’t recall Kalvin Phillips being a regular starter under Southgate (am I wrong?) so what is he going on about?
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Played him in the euros like he was the messiah. Failed in the end like Southgate.
 
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wantageskyblue

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,725
hamertime said:
Played him in the euros like he was the messiah. Failed in the end like Southgate.
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Fair enough, don’t remember that so he obviously wasn’t too impressive.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,726
Spain beating themselves ATM!
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,727
Macca said:
Have said this a million times. Even non qualifiers have better skill levels. We get past them because the sum of the parts is better but technically we are shite.
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Nah, that's not the case anymore.

You can't tell me Bellingham, Foden, Palmer, Rice, Mainoo, Eze, etc aren't incredibly technical players.

And I mentioned earlier about the England youth teams winning loads.

There's been a huge improvement on that front to bring us up to the level of other nations.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,728
Tommo1993 said:
Chiesa has aged badly in 3 years, wtf has he done.
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2 ACLS I think!
 
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hamertime

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,729
We beat Italy, Portugal. We loose to Germany Spain and France.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,730
Frostie said:
Agreed. There's nothing wrong with what's he's said there, he's right. That's his preferred system & it's served us well in the past. The flip side, & the fans argument, is they don't want us to play that way.

The below interview was some months ago now & I think is pretty fair. Since then Wharton has really emerged though & I'd be giving him a go in that position.

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If he is unable to adapt to not having Phillips available to him then he isn't up to the job, it's up to him to find a solution...
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,731
wingy said:
Spain beating themselves ATM!
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Italy do it for them,oh dear.
 

robbiekeane

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,732
at least today wasn’t a total waste, this is a proper game of football
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,733
Spain would make us look like idiots at the moment. Should be at least 3 ahead atm.
 
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Macca

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,734
PVA said:
Nah, that's not the case anymore.

You can't tell me Bellingham, Foden, Palmer, Rice, Mainoo, Eze, etc aren't incredibly technical players.

And I mentioned earlier about the England youth teams winning loads.

There's been a huge improvement on that front to bring us up to the level of other nations.
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Yet so often they look incapable of breaking teams down. Something is wrong because player after player looks like a world beater at club level but average in England colours. I’m not a Southgate fan but when you have tried so many managers and you still have that gulf between club and country performances you do wonder
 

Frostie

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,735
Nuskyblue said:
If he is unable to adapt to not having Phillips available to him then he isn't up to the job, it's up to him to find a solution...
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Don't disagree & the fact that he admits we're "experimenting" during a major tournament is a concern. Phillips' form & fitness issues have been known for a long, long time. Wharton could be the saviour but I don't think he's brave enough to trust him.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,736
Frostie said:
Don't disagree & the fact that he admits we're "experimenting" during a major tournament is a concern. Phillips' form & fitness issues have been known for a long, long time. Wharton could be the saviour but I don't think he's brave enough to trust him.
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A very long time, it's not crept up on him

Didn't he get more minutes for England last season than Man City (I think he played less than 90 for Citeh!)?
 
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hamertime

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,737
Italy nowhere near Spain at this level, but… I wouldn’t put it past Italy winning it against Spain IN a final. It’s all about guts In the final moments and we just don’t have it.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,738
My wife and I both misheard Ally McCoist's version of Cambiasso as 'Can't be arsed'
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,739
Sky Blue Harry H said:
My wife and I both misheard Ally McCoist's version of Cambiasso as 'Can't be arsed'
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Snap
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,740
This is weird, why have Spain not retreated to their own 18 yard box?

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Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,741
What are the Spain full backs doing? Running at pace beyond the player with the ball... it'll never catch on!
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,742
David O'Day said:
This is weird, why have Spain not retreated to their own 18 yard box?

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Rank amateurs. They clearly know nothing.
 

shepardo01

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,743
Has Southgate really gone batshit and said that we haven't replaced Kalvin Phillips!??.....
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,744
David O'Day said:
This is weird, why have Spain not retreated to their own 18 yard box?

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Mad isn't it, it'll never catch on
 
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hamertime

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,745
Italy look average. On experience they will end up going deep in the tournament on courage and belief
 
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hamertime

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,746
shepardo01 said:
Has Southgate really gone batshit and said that we haven't replaced Kalvin Phillips!??.....
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Southgate is only happy wearing a gimp mask and getting smashed in the ring piece by Les Ferdinand.
 
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hamertime

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,747
This refs top is different level, Saturday night fever
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,748
Spain have looked excellent.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,749
Did the commentator just say carvahals dad wouldn’t be proud of him
 

SBAndy

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  • Jun 20, 2024
  • #1,750
Well, I said not to be disappointed with the draw but the performance was largely insipid. There are a few serious decisions to be made. If you play Kane, then as far as I’m concerned the wingers have to be Gordon and Saka as they’re the only ones willing to run in behind. If you play Bellingham, play him deeper and Foden in front. And for fucks sake put a passable left back on the pitch (haven’t got one).

I got ridiculed for drafting up this lineup when we were at preliminary squad stage but it’d have worked a whole lot better than the shite we’re seeing:


 
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