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That the opposition was strong?
That the opposition was strong?Could you not argue that about 2018, 2020, 2022 and 2024?
Mourinho's hardly the free-flowing Brazil-1970 football we expect either.Don’t really want Klopp - not sure he’d want England either. The Mourinho suggestions are frankly laughable.
No point been through it all many timesThat the opposition was strong?
Yep, like Southgate’s football it gets tiresome after the first couple of rounds.No point been through it all many times
Mourinho's hardly the free-flowing Brazil-1970 football we expect either.
Let me get this straight ...linekar and
Richards are delusional, all the pundits and press that have had enough of Southgate are delusional ..
Rangnick failed (with Austria who are very average )
Nagelsmann failed (even though they deserved to beat the eventual tournament winners ) but fair enough they went out
Howe hasn't won anything , besides triple promotions through the football league and took Bournemouth to the Premier league and then took Newcastle to the champions league .
And you'd offer Gareth southgate a new contract
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Tournaments are judged on outcomes and Germany won’t be saying ‘oh we deserved to beat Spain, therefore this tournament is a success’. They would consider it a failure just as we considered losing to France in 2022 as a failure despite Kane missing a pen late on.
Howe is one of my favourite managers in the Prem, but he hasn’t won a major trophy yet - no, League 1 and Championship titles do not count as such. Managing the pressure at Bournemouth is a lot different to England.
I’m just being pragmatic Evo and with respect, I don’t think you or others are. Who would do you think would do a better job than Southgate who’s interested in taking on the role?
While we don’t actually know who’d be interested and who wouldn’t, take the dreadful football Southgate enjoys serving up and put it up against what Howe or Potter tried to do. I’d also argue that Howe has had to manage under very raised expectations and pressure at Newcastle.Tournaments are judged on outcomes and Germany won’t be saying ‘oh we deserved to beat Spain, therefore this tournament is a success’. They would consider it a failure just as we considered losing to France in 2022 as a failure despite Kane missing a pen late on.
Howe is one of my favourite managers in the Prem, but he hasn’t won a major trophy yet - no, League 1 and Championship titles do not count as such. Managing the pressure at Bournemouth is a lot different to England.
I’m just being pragmatic Evo and with respect, I don’t think you or others are. Who would do you think would do a better job than Southgate who’s interested in taking on the role?
Stronger than England, specifically.That the opposition was strong?
That’s a valid opinion, but who do you hire? You have stated you wouldn’t want Carsley who is supposedly the favourite to take over should Southgate walk.The outcome of our tournaments under Southgate is that we've won the same as we did under steve mclaren .
We also play shit football , time to move on
That’s a valid opinion, but who do you hire? You have stated you wouldn’t want Carsley who is supposedly the favourite to take over should Southgate walk.
While we don’t actually know who’d be interested and who wouldn’t, take the dreadful football Southgate enjoys serving up and put it up against what Howe or Potter tried to do. I’d also argue that Howe has had to manage under very raised expectations and pressure at Newcastle.
We must approach the best English prospects first
An Irish u21 manager cannot manage England, he will be crucified beyond belief if he fails
Also being a decent manager at youth level doesn't automatically mean it will translate ..
Sure Spain did it , but he also won the nations league which according to English fans is a bag of shite and a glorified bunch of friendlies , turns out winning breeds more winning
Portugal won the euros in 2016 then the nations league in 2018
Spain won the nations league then the euros .
A lot of the golden generation were part of the group that didn’t even qualify for Euro 2008.To be fair, the squad consisting of:
Ashley Cole
Ferdinand
Terry
G Neville
Lampard
Gerrard
Scholes
Beckham
J Cole
Rooney
Was very strong on paper. The problem was it came at a time when the opposition was also much stronger than it is now.
The england team that lost to CroatiaA lot of the golden generation were part of the group that didn’t even qualify for Euro 2008.
You speak as though getting twatted by Hungary doesn’t breed a winning mentalityWe must approach the best English prospects first
An Irish u21 manager cannot manage England, he will be crucified beyond belief if he fails
Also being a decent manager at youth level doesn't automatically mean it will translate ..
Sure Spain did it , but he also won the nations league which according to English fans is a bag of shite and a glorified bunch of friendlies , turns out winning breeds more winning
Portugal won the euros in 2016 then the nations league in 2018
Spain won the nations league then the euros .
Potter couldn't cope at Chelsea. Howe should have achieved more so far at Newcastle and appears poor at dealing with the media spotlight which is essential as England manager.Howe or Potter would be out of their depth and unlikely to deal well with media pressure
As pointed out above 2008-2016 was just a poor mix of players. Up to 2006 though, it was very strong.A lot of the golden generation were part of the group that didn’t even qualify for Euro 2008.
Starting from when?As pointed out above 2008-2016 was just a poor mix of players. Up to 2006 though, it was very strong.
Starting from when?
He has to go just because the noise about him staying would be unbearable.
It’s time now. He gave it a good go and changed the atmosphere but he hasn’t won anything.
When would you say the golden generation started? 2002?I think 2007 we started to decline until the mid 2010s , we had some decent players but also some ageing players
I was a huge fan at the start . He got the best out of an ordinary bunch with the emphasis on solidity and set pieces . However in the last few years it feels like the quality of players has overtaken what he can bring to a new system and style of play . It just feels to rigid and almost stifling at times .Was expecting yesterday to be his last game regardless of winning or losing, guess we'll find out soon.
Some will probably disagree, but think overall he can leave with his head held high.
Bought the team forward from the shambles it was at the time (completely forgot about Sam Allardyce until I read an article on the BBC earlier), but feel England have hit a ceiling now and it's time for a change
Could you imagine that , or Gerrard or RooneyIf he goes Potter looks the obvious choice for the FA especially as no compensation due.
Not inspired by him or Howe the other one who I dread is Lampard…
Neither does losing to Scotland 2-0 yet here we are.You speak as though getting twatted by Hungary doesn’t breed a winning mentality
That’s a valid opinion, but who do you hire? You have stated you wouldn’t want Carsley who is supposedly the favourite to take over should Southgate walk.
They won the nations league though , we got relegatedNeither does losing to Scotland 2-0 yet here we are.
No, the FA invest in this ‘pathway programme’ and it’s worked quite well for other nations.Why is the favorite though? Another FA yes man?
I actually will to be fair. We’ll get promoted and go again.They won the nations league though , we got relegated
You will enjoy your trip to Greece though, always a positive
Well with respect , Eddie howe has achieved more than Southgate hasn't he ?No, the FA invest in this ‘pathway programme’ and it’s worked quite well for other nations.
That and, there’s not outstanding candidate. There are people out there throwing out Klopp and Pep’s names out there as if they’re actually viable candidates.
If there was a successful English manager who’s won major trophies, I’d expect Southgate to stand down on his own accord. There isn’t.
The only other non-English managers would be Poch (who struggled under the pressure at PSG and Chelsea) and Thomas Frank (won no major trophies).
I'm a huge fan of Steve Cooper ( not the poster on here ) he's been involved with England before with success but he's just gone to LeicesterI actually will to be fair. We’ll get promoted and go again.
In all seriousness, who would you replace Southgate with?
I actually will to be fair. We’ll get promoted and go again.
In all seriousness, who would you replace Southgate with?
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