Playing devils advocateI’ll be honest Rice was not good enough to warrant being ever present. Wharton should have got some minutes
Well yeahPlaying devils advocate
if sheaf is having a bad time of it, does he come off?
See I think he doesn’t, genuinely I just think there’s certain players who don’t come offWell yeah
We don’t have any individual currently good enough to be considered ever present, yet Southgate has repeatedly had 7 or 8 considered undroppable this tournament no matter how tired or out of form they looked.I’ll be honest Rice was not good enough to warrant being ever present. Wharton should have got some minutes
You say that, I could see him getting a job off someone. Probably an Everton or a FulhamIf southgate managed us, would he do as well as robins? No club side in the prem will want Southgate
You say that, I could see him getting a job off someone. Probably an Everton or a Fulham
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Sums his tournament up.
Clearly a talent but he doesn't half rub me up the wrong way.
Just gutted man. At least some on here are delighted.
Will never forgive Walker for being such a bottler.
Playing devils advocate
if sheaf is having a bad time of it, does he come off?
Saka our man of the tournament, Rice the weak link.
I agree. Mostly a tournament for us of absolutely dire football, with some sprinkles of individual magic that got us out of jail.Bottom line is, we played 7 games in that tournament and only played well in 1 of them.
We started tepidly and ineptly and just carried that on in the same manner throughout
Kane was very poor all tournament and really should have been dropped.
Bellingham looked very jaded and should have been rested. If we haven't got enough quality to beat the likes of Slovakia without him, we have a very, very huge problem.
Walker was poor throughout the competition too and Rice just wasn't the Rice we have come to expect for England.
Foden only had one good game.
Only real bright spots for me were Mainoo, Guehl, having Shaw back and I think Saka had a good tournament too.
Everything else, was very much just in fits and starts..
Too many times we got ourselves ahead, or back into games, only to then sit deep and hand the impetus back to the opposition
Palmer looks promising for the future too of course.Bottom line is, we played 7 games in that tournament and only played well in 1 of them.
We started tepidly and ineptly and just carried that on in the same manner throughout
Kane was very poor all tournament and really should have been dropped.
Bellingham looked very jaded and should have been rested. If we haven't got enough quality to beat the likes of Slovakia without him, we have a very, very huge problem.
Walker was poor throughout the competition too and Rice just wasn't the Rice we have come to expect for England.
Foden only had one good game.
Only real bright spots for me were Mainoo, Guehl, having Shaw back and I think Saka had a good tournament too.
Everything else, was very much just in fits and starts..
Too many times we got ourselves ahead, or back into games, only to then sit deep and hand the impetus back to the opposition
He Has a point, we were frightened to go and win games, we only played when we went behind, and when we scored we stopped playing again.100% correct
we move on, we need to
And yea , Birmingham retiring bellinghams shirt number is fucking ridiculous
We've all been media fooled including me
He has the footwork and will thrive in the billionaires paradise of Real but is he the full package?
I’m no Southgate fan but are we sure it’s all about the manager. I mean it’s not a new thing that we fail with a team apparently “the envy of the world”. It’s happened under numerous managers. We fawn over Bellingham and Foden but other countries have half a dozen players of that calibre. Maybe what we think is great is what other countries thing of as the standard
I suspect it's because of the wank-fest over the Premier League being "the best in the world" - failing to remember that many of the stars who the top teams centre their tactics on are, in fact, other than English. I genuinely don't know what they do in training - a lot of the time, the players look like they don't know each other, let alone whatever "system" they are being told to play to.I’m no Southgate fan but are we sure it’s all about the manager. I mean it’s not a new thing that we fail with a team apparently “the envy of the world”. It’s happened under numerous managers. We fawn over Bellingham and Foden but other countries have half a dozen players of that calibre. Maybe what we think is great is what other countries thing of as the standard
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