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Johnnythespider

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,511
This is all on Southgate, the players are good enough, he isn't. Foden with 27 goals and 12 assists last season but none of either at the euro's, Southgate doesn't know how to get them playing as a team.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,512
Talked often about using the whole squad yet the following hardly played:

Trent
Gordon
Wharton
Watkins
Toney
Palmer
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,513
2bh I’ve been critical of Southgate in this tournament - I don’t think there’s a lot he could have done.

Spain were the better team. And Walker went AWOL for both goals.

forger dropping Kane - that would have been suicide, there’s no manager dropping the European golden boot winner who’s also leading the golden boot in the tournament.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,514
HadjiChippo said:
Do what Spain did and promote from within.

get super Lee Carsley In there
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That would be worse. I remember that Crewe game where carsley played ultra Southgate style at 3-0 down

Started attacking 80 mins in…. We won the game 2-0
 

Alkhen

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,515
Such a shitter, wasted another good opportunity. Sadly yet again we were not brave enough on the ball. But clearly lost to a better team so less gutting than Italy or France last time out.

Was baffled with all the aimless punting. The one time we kept it on the deck and pass quickly we get a goal. Then right back to passing it back to Pickford to slam it long again

The ref can fuck off with so litlle injury time. Should have been more than 4 mins. Then they only played about 2 of those the amount of rolling about the Spanish did.

Urgh. Needs a shake up, can't think of a realistic replacement for Southgate at them moment.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,516
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
2bh I’ve been critical of Southgate in this tournament - I don’t think there’s a lot he could have done.

Spain were the better team. And Walker went AWOL for both goals.

forger dropping Kane - that would have been suicide, there’s no manager dropping the European golden boot winner who’s also leading the golden boot in the tournament.
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He was going to bring on Gallagher and atrippier just before they scored. It was awful decision making.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,517
Would be happy with Klopp but also would like Potter if we go English.

Yes he was rubbish at Chelsea but that was a basket case at the time.

He plays the modern style of high pressing, exactly what we need and exactly how (most of) the players are used to playing.

Southgate is a tactically very old school and the game has left him behind somewhat.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,518
PVA said:
Would be happy with Klopp but also would like Potter if we go English.

Yes he was rubbish at Chelsea but that was a basket case at the time.

He plays the modern style of high pressing, exactly what we need and exactly how (most of) the players are used to playing.

Southgate is a tactically very old school and the game has left him behind somewhat.
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The players have left him behind too !
 

HadjiChippo

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,519
A few players come out of this tournament with a bit of credit for me; Palmer, Mainoo and Guehi mainly.

We need to find a way to integrate Palmer into the side full time, he’s a gem and still so young. Should’ve had at least one start this tournament

Guehi is a brick wall at the back, still a little raw, but he’ll be top class in time.

Mainoo will be different level in 2 years time.

I wouldn’t give Southgate another tournament. He’s hit his ceiling, his negative football gets found out against better sides, and only reacting when things go wrong, which is often too late. He also looks checked out.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,520
PVA said:
Would be happy with Klopp but also would like Potter if we go English.

Yes he was rubbish at Chelsea but that was a basket case at the time.

He plays the modern style of high pressing, exactly what we need and exactly how (most of) the players are used to playing.

Southgate is a tactically very old school and the game has left him behind somewhat.
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If you could be sure of Klopp in a year, I’d hold tight. If you couldn’t, then Potter or Howe would be next best.
 

Alkhen

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,521
PVA said:
Would be happy with Klopp but also would like Potter if we go English.

Yes he was rubbish at Chelsea but that was a basket case at the time.

He plays the modern style of high pressing, exactly what we need and exactly how (most of) the players are used to playing.

Southgate is a tactically very old school and the game has left him behind somewhat.
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Yep Potter for me. Feels wrong to go non English. Especially after how Southgate has fixed the culture in the dressing room we don't want a massive revolution.

As you said Potters time at Chelsea can't be judged too harshly. That clubs ran by a nutter and their fans didn't take to him.
 
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oscillatewildly

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,522
Saka our man of the tournament, Rice the weak link.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,523
I'm sorry but there can't be any justification for Southgates performance in this tournament . He's just said Kane was injured and not fit going into the tournament, so why start him in every game ?
And the bizarre selections ?
Foden player of the season and a game changer in the 10 or false 9 , yeah put him left wing
Bellingham la liga player of the season who's greatest strength is travelling with the ball and his box to box ability , yeah stick him at 10 and negate his game
Trent a game changer at RB or RWB with his range of passing and attacking intent , yeah stick him alongside Rice

You can't keep making excuses for a manager so scared of losing he won't ever fully commit to winning
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,524
Alkhen said:
Yep Potter for me. Feels wrong to go non English. Especially after how Southgate has fixed the culture in the dressing room we don't want a massive revolution.

As you said Potters time at Chelsea can't be judged too harshly. That clubs ran by a nutter and their fans didn't take to him.
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I like Cooper but he's gone to the sister shaggers
 

Alkhen

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,525
Perennial Lurker said:
I like Cooper but he's gone to the sister shaggers
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That passed me by entirely. Weird looking bloke, will fit right in
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,526
Alkhen said:
That passed me by entirely. Weird looking bloke, will fit right in
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He is strange looking but I think he's a hell of a coach
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,527
Alkhen said:
Such a shitter, wasted another good opportunity. Sadly yet again we were not brave enough on the ball. But clearly lost to a better team so less gutting than Italy or France last time out.

Was baffled with all the aimless punting. The one time we kept it on the deck and pass quickly we get a goal. Then right back to passing it back to Pickford to slam it long again

The ref can fuck off with so litlle injury time. Should have been more than 4 mins. Then they only played about 2 of those the amount of rolling about the Spanish did.

Urgh. Needs a shake up, can't think of a realistic replacement for Southgate at them moment.
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Don’t disagree with a lot of that but Spain were by far the best team in the tournament and tonight. Second half they stepped it up and we couldn’t really live with them. Yes, Southgate should been braver with the subs but I always felt Spain had another gear. Certain players looked leggy and didn’t perform at their level. Still got a bright future though and losing finalists is nothing to be ashamed of
 

Diogenes

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,528


Sums his tournament up.

Clearly a talent but he doesn't half rub me up the wrong way.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,529
If Cucurella was at a random Spanish team and had that tournament everyteam in the Prem would be after him. The fact he’s considered a meme by Premier League watches is crazy
 

Matt smith

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,530
There’s always the city
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,531
Ccfcisparks said:
If Cucurella was at a random Spanish team and had that tournament everyteam in the Prem would be after him. The fact he’s considered a meme by Premier League watches is crazy
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Thought he was superb this tournament mate, 100% agreed

the cross was superb
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,532
Diogenes said:
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Sums his tournament up.

Clearly a talent but he doesn't half rub me up the wrong way.
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World class player and we didn't play to his strengths . He plays like an old fashioned number 8 , yet we negated all his physical attributes and played him too high up the pitch because Southgate is obsessed with two number 6s
 

Matt smith

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,533
Perennial Lurker said:
World class player and we didn't play to his strengths . He plays like an old fashioned number 8 , yet we negated all his physical attributes and played him too high up the pitch because Southgate is obsessed with two number 6s
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I’m sorry but he’s absolutely smashed it out the park for Madrid as a 10

whilst I do agree he’s an 8, Bellingham can play higher up
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,534
Diogenes said:
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Sums his tournament up.

Clearly a talent but he doesn't half rub me up the wrong way.
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Hes quality and a winner but running on empty. Should’ve been rested in final group game. Southgate managed him poorly (played way too many minutes)
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,535
Matt smith said:
There’s always the city
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I know people are very passionate about England and that’s totally understandable, real shame and frustrating

but I’ll be over it by the morning, interesting how different individuals see club vs country

roll on four weeks time

safe trip home to the sba that travelled
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,536
Palmers goal was almost a carbon copy of Hajis winner against Wolves.
Roll on the proper football season
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,537
Gynnsthetonic said:
Palmers goal was almost a carbon copy of Hajis winner against Wolves.
Roll on the proper football season
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Spain are a team, patterns of play

England played in moments
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,538
Matt smith said:
I know people are very passionate about England and that’s totally understandable, real shame and frustrating

but I’ll be over it by the morning, interesting how different individuals see club vs country

roll on four weeks time

safe trip home to the sba that travelled
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Club every time for me , only two England managers in my lifetime have ever engaged me and that was Sir Bobby and El Tel
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,539
Perennial Lurker said:
Club every time for me , only two England managers in my lifetime have ever engaged me and that was Sir Bobby and El Tel
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Oh mate I’m club over country, England doesn’t emotionally invest me like the city

but that’s not the time for that debate, frustrating evening
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,540
Matt smith said:
I’m sorry but he’s absolutely smashed it out the park for Madrid as a 10

whilst I do agree he’s an 8, Bellingham can play higher up
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When the system allows . He is an 8 at international level if we are to get the best out of him in an England shirt
 

Matt smith

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,541
Perennial Lurker said:
When the system allows . He is an 8 at international level if we are to get the best out of him in an England shirt
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I do agree, we need a coach who will implement a pattern of play
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,542
oscillatewildly said:
Saka our man of the tournament, Rice the weak link.
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Not sure about that tonight for instance coming inside and nothing,Rice I'll give you, uncharacteristically poor!
 
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Matt smith

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,543
wingy said:
Not sure about that tonight for instance coming inside and nothing,Rice I'll give you, uncharacteristically poor!
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Should he have played left side?
 

Matt smith

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,544
The whole pandemonium is over and the real stuff starts in four weeks

as @Gynnsthetonic says
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #6,545
I’ll be honest Rice was not good enough to warrant being ever present. Wharton should have got some minutes
 
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