Agree 100% about Mainoo. Stand out player that showed bollocks when more experienced players were shrinking under the pressure
Mainoo will have caused a headache.
If he (finally) did want to drop Bellingham back into the 8 role Mainoo would be the sacrifice and he was a silver lining today; fully committed, progressive on the ball and played without fear.
He HAS to play two wingers next game, the Foden/Trippier combo is such a hindrance. Foden on his own out there offers very little, unless he’s playing away from the position he’s supposed to occupy.
Rice has had a pretty poor tournament, but I wouldn’t drop him.
Bellingham Rice
Palmer Foden Gordon/Eze
Kane
I actually thought Gordon's comments were the most respectful, "they expect more from us and it's a compliment".It's the players being almost obsessed with the criticism that they're rightly getting that fuckin irritates me - it took an overhead kick for them to have their first shot on target in the 90th minute against the mighty footballing force that is Slovakia ffs
Plus the dopes haven't been getting criticism anyway - It's Southgate
It is true though. Fans seem to forget that previous teams and ‘golden generations’ have failed to deliver under top managers. As long as we get through each round, I don’t care how we do it.He really is an arrogant arsehole.
Would never happen and I also don’t think he’d make a great international manager.Klopp
Pickford
Walker Stones Konsa
TAA Saka
Bellingham Rice
Palmer Kane Gordon does look kind of tasty
Want toney to be involved too though. Thought he was fantastic tonight.
The thing is that he isn’t and in most other interviews he’s done comes across as very well grounded and level headed. Dare I say that Southgate has gaslighted the fan base into trying to think that the football is still great and that their negativity towards it is the problem.He really is an arrogant arsehole.
The difference is that the players and management are task orientated. All the mattered in the group stage was qualifying for the KO rounds. Now we’re there, it’s just one game at a time.The thing is that he isn’t and in most other interviews he’s done comes across as very well grounded and level headed. Dare I say that Southgate has gaslighted the fan base into trying to think that the football is still great and that their negativity towards it is the problem.
When you hear all the player comments this tournament they seem to have bought into that. This man is causing more damage to the national team beyond his shit football.
On LB, who would you have picked? The only English LBs playing at a high level is as followed:A few random thoughts on what i saw.
We only started to play with any energy when Trippier went off - he slows the entire game down and gets in the way of Foden rather than overlapping with him. When Saka was in that position, Foden moved inside and started to play with some freedom like he shows at Citeh.
Why did Southgate pick Shaw as his only true LB in a squad of 26, if he is that crocked?
Why on EARTH did he sub Mainoo? Our most creative and energetic player on the night.
Waiting to 89 minutes to bring Toney on was sheer madness. "I was confident we'd get that goal, just didn't think I'd have to wait that long". You dozy coont - it was your fault!
Why do people think Southgate has been successful? We've won nothing in his 8 years.
I dread to think who the next manager will be, but they have to be able to get more out of a talented bunch of individuals than Southgate has.
If we don't have more attacking threat (by playing genuinely attackers whose strength is attacking football, not playing in the centre circle) and defensive cohesion, the Swiss will tear us a new one.
I think Gomez would be the best. But your "at a high level" comment is key. If there are so few Prem (or overseas) clubs with a decent English LB, are there no dedicated LBs in the Champ? That has to be better than putting a square peg in a round hole. It's just a suggestion, but i don't watch enough other clubs' games to know the personalities. The Prem obsession is what is stifling the England set-up.On LB, who would you have picked? The only English LBs playing at a high level is as followed:
Shaw
Chilwell
Gomez (covering Robertson)
Mitchell
50% of those are in the squad and Chilwell has just come back from a long absence. Trippier has played LB for England before and played well, even with Foden against Italy in the qualifiers. However, I do agree that he’s not playing well and if Shaw is not fit, we have to consider playing with wing backs.
Yup. I know Foden hasn't played well, but Trippier at left back, greatly hampers his game.A few random thoughts on what i saw.
We only started to play with any energy when Trippier went off - he slows the entire game down and gets in the way of Foden rather than overlapping with him. When Saka was in that position, Foden moved inside and started to play with some freedom like he shows at Citeh.
Why did Southgate pick Shaw as his only true LB in a squad of 26, if he is that crocked?
Why on EARTH did he sub Mainoo? Our most creative and energetic player on the night.
Waiting to 89 minutes to bring Toney on was sheer madness. "I was confident we'd get that goal, just didn't think I'd have to wait that long". You dozy coont - it was your fault!
Why do people think Southgate has been successful? We've won nothing in his 8 years.
I dread to think who the next manager will be, but they have to be able to get more out of a talented bunch of individuals than Southgate has.
If we don't have more attacking threat (by playing genuinely attackers whose strength is attacking football, not playing in the centre circle) and defensive cohesion, the Swiss will tear us a new one.
I think Gomez would be the best. But your "at a high level" comment is key. If there are so few Prem (or overseas) clubs with a decent English LB, are there no dedicated LBs in the Champ? That has to be better than putting a square peg in a round hole. It's just a suggestion, but i don't watch enough other clubs' games to know the personalities. The Prem obsession is what is stifling the England set-up.
Yeah, very tiny margins. A few more seconds and we would have been out of the tournament.The difference is that the players and management are task orientated. All the mattered in the group stage was qualifying for the KO rounds. Now we’re there, it’s just one game at a time.
If Foden stayed onside and Rice’s shot creeped in, we’d have taken a very different view of the match. Which shows the margins involved in tournament football.
It’s likely Southgate’s last tournament unless we win it all so we can get round to kicking the next guy in charge of the group.
Yeah, very tiny margins. A few more seconds and we would have been out of the tournament.
We have to play better. That's 4 games in a row where we have stuttered and stumbled (5 if you include the Iceland friendly).
It’s true that previous ”generations” have failed, but have they played so badly with such an awful, turgid style of play?It is true though. Fans seem to forget that previous teams and ‘golden generations’ have failed to deliver under top managers. As long as we get through each round, I don’t care how we do it.
For context, it’s the first time England have reached back to back quarter finals in the Euros. That’s how shit we were.
The post-Southgate era will be interesting. The expectation seems to be that all will be good with a new manager. It probably won’t.
The players and the manager need to block out all the external criticisms and either fail/succeed on their own terms.
Your observation about Bellingham’s usual demeanour actually makes his comments appear worse and more considered. It was a metaphoric two finger salute to the supporters. Kanes comment that England fans would have enjoyed that was also pretty moronic, I enjoyed two moments of that match. Well three if you include Toney’s first piece of play.The thing is that he isn’t and in most other interviews he’s done comes across as very well grounded and level headed. Dare I say that Southgate has gaslighted the fan base into trying to think that the football is still great and that their negativity towards it is the problem.
When you hear all the player comments this tournament they seem to have bought into that. This man is causing more damage to the national team beyond his shit football.
There’s quite a number of “ifs“ which would have put us 3-0 down.The difference is that the players and management are task orientated. All the mattered in the group stage was qualifying for the KO rounds. Now we’re there, it’s just one game at a time.
If Foden stayed onside and Rice’s shot creeped in, we’d have taken a very different view of the match. Which shows the margins involved in tournament football.
It’s likely Southgate’s last tournament unless we win it all so we can get round to kicking the next guy in charge of the group.
How many times have England taken players who aren’t fit in the vain hope that they will be able to play before we are knocked out? IIRC it was Maddison last time,After Shaw, Trippier is probably the best option we have then. Who does this uncapped Championship LB get selected over? I don’t see the rationale, personally.
If Shaw isn’t fit, the only thing I can think of is playing Saka LWB in a 3-4-3. It worked yesterday because we were desperate and playing a team who were happy to have less than 30% possession.
It’s true that previous ”generations” have failed, but have they played so badly with such an awful, turgid style of play?
It’s not all down to the manager, I doubt he tells the players not to move and try to find space. Southgate may be trying to generate a siege mentality with the squad and the players comments would suggest he is being successful in that. Unfortunately, it isn’t translating into better performances on the pitch.
Speaking as he did, which cam across very much as a “fuck you” to to supporters was ill advised. Some recognition that, actually, they didn’t play well and actually both failed to pressure and appeared vulnerable defensively when playing the 50th ranked team might have been a better optic.
How many times have England taken players who aren’t fit in the vain hope that they will be able to play before we are knocked out? IIRC it was Maddison last time,
We’re back again to the results being ok so the terrible performances can continue.The difference is that the players and management are task orientated. All the mattered in the group stage was qualifying for the KO rounds. Now we’re there, it’s just one game at a time.
If Foden stayed onside and Rice’s shot creeped in, we’d have taken a very different view of the match. Which shows the margins involved in tournament football.
It’s likely Southgate’s last tournament unless we win it all so we can get round to kicking the next guy in charge of the group.
In tournament football, the result is all that matters. There’s plenty of examples where teams looked average in group stages, slow in the KO stages and build into the tournament.We’re back again to the results being ok so the terrible performances can continue.
We’re back again to the results being ok so the terrible performances can continue.
It also assume there's a play excitingly and win guarantee, as opposed to a Keegan type where you attack and lose regularly (and his England team wasn't as good to watch as his club sides anyway!) or, worse, the Hodgson peak of play terribly, lose terribly... potentially inspired by Robson in '88.Well as long as they keep getting through I suppose that’s ok really
So hard though. I didn't enjoy that performance at all yesterday and when we won, all I felt was relief and nothing else. No sense of joy at all.Well as long as they keep getting through I suppose that’s ok really
First shot on target I don't think,if a post is counted as wide?So hard though. I didn't enjoy that performance at all yesterday and when we won, all I felt was relief and nothing else. No sense of joy at all.
First shot on target in added on time.
Oh yeah, terrible. tbf haven't seen one person defend that performance.So hard though. I didn't enjoy that performance at all yesterday and when we won, all I felt was relief and nothing else. No sense of joy at all.
First shot on target in added on time.
So do I.I hope he wins the tournament and rides off into the sunset.
God, these players get such an easy ride for putting in truly pathetic performances. The set up is horrendous but if these players were as good as people are making out you’d think they’d at least manage to look like semi-competent footballers. Watch these games and look at how many touches it takes our players to get the ball under control, how often the first touch is awful, how poor some of the passing is. It can’t all just be blamed on the manager and the system.
He can't drop Mainoo, he's the only midfielder that can knit it together and is always quick and progressive.
We need to stop forcing players into the team and pick the best team rather than best XI
If you want to play someone else on the left then it has to be Bellingham or Foden that is out
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