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skybluepm2 · Sep 3, 2017

skybluegod said:
That made me laugh. 'Applaud our magnificent support'

'Throwing a wanker sign at our sheepish players'
You do understand the meaning of support?

Stop whining like a little bitch. They had support from before the game up until the 96th minute. So yes, magnificent support. A small chorus of collective boo's after the game following a 3rd game without a goal, 4th game since victory, the failure to break down ten men against a side who have been shipping goals and having no plan B will perhaps give the players AND manager a kick up the arse to make them realize a) it wasn't good enough and b) something needs to change. Should they be cheered off and lauded to the high heavens for failure? I'm not saying that in jest, seriously. As I said last night, in the heat of the moment it happened, people were angry, it happens.

skybluepm2 · Sep 3, 2017

Nick said:
Telling them they weren't good enough and discussing it or shouting wanker in their face?

You can guarantee you would be all crying like little bitches if any of our players said anything back and how it was a disgrace.

No, telling them it wasn't good enough and discussing it. It would be just weird shouting wanker at someone (as the bloke did with Fisher at the train station). The thing is, booing players off - albeit very rarely - doesn't achieve anything, it purely just shows frustration. The players probably do think it's disgraceful, but they're big boys and I'm sure they're accustomed to such reactions by now. As I've said it's not something I make a habit of but yesterday was not good, AGAIN.

skybluegod · Sep 3, 2017

skybluepm2 said:
Stop whining like a little bitch. They had support from before the game up until the 96th minute. So yes, magnificent support. A small chorus of collective boo's after the game following a 3rd game without a goal, 4th game since victory, the failure to break down ten men against a side who have been shipping goals and having no plan B will perhaps give the players AND manager a kick up the arse to make them realize a) it wasn't good enough and b) something needs to change. Should they be cheered off and lauded to the high heavens for failure? I'm not saying that in jest, seriously. As I said last night, in the heat of the moment it happened, people were angry, it happens.

Well going by your magnificent support no wonder they played shit...
You say they had support from the first minute, there were people getting on Davies' back 15 minutes in?
You think some tosser calling them a wanker is going to tell them something they don't already know? They aren't stupid they know it isn't good enough.
Nobody has said to laud them for failure, please point out when somebody has said that?
What people and I have said is that there is no need to be a c**t.
The players came over and applauded the support, you would moan if they didn't.
You say it was in the heat of the moment and yet defend your actions!

Nick · Sep 3, 2017

skybluepm2 said:
No, telling them it wasn't good enough and discussing it. It would be just weird shouting wanker at someone (as the bloke did with Fisher at the train station). The thing is, booing players off - albeit very rarely - doesn't achieve anything, it purely just shows frustration. The players probably do think it's disgraceful, but they're big boys and I'm sure they're accustomed to such reactions by now. As I've said it's not something I make a habit of but yesterday was not good, AGAIN.

Trust me i have no problem telling anyone what I think of them, especially wankers

So you wouldn't be calling them wankers like you do when you are in stand in numbers then?

So what would happen if you had given it loads to one of the players and the group abuse and they told you to fuck off in reply? You would be pissing your pants at how disgusting it was.

skybluepm2 · Sep 3, 2017

skybluegod said:
Well going by your magnificent support no wonder they played shit...
You say they had support from the first minute, there were people getting on Davies' back 15 minutes in?
You think some tosser calling them a wanker is going to tell them something they don't already know? They aren't stupid they know it isn't good enough.
Nobody has said to laud them for failure, please point out when somebody has said that?
What people and I have said is that there is no need to be a c**t.
The players came over and applauded the support, you would moan if they didn't.
You say it was in the heat of the moment and yet defend your actions!

Look, we are getting nowhere here. You are obviously as cool as a cucumber and applaud win, lose or draw. Sorry, but that's not me. It was heat of the moment yeah, it'll probably happen again in my lifetime. Doesn't mean I'm ashamed to do it or that I'm a c**t as you keep alluding to. Let's leave it there shall we?

robbiekeane · Sep 3, 2017

skybluepm2 said:
I'd have no problem telling them that they weren't good enough today

skybluepm2 said:

No, telling them it wasn't good enough and discussing it

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I thought you were booing and throwing wankers signs?

Why do you keep asking if they should be applauded cheered off and lauded for their failure? No one has said that so it's a shit argument.

People booing and throwing wankers signs will be the first to complain next week if people don't have the confidence to shoot or cross it it and just play the safe negative back pass.

skybluepm2 · Sep 3, 2017

Nick said:
So you wouldn't be calling them wankers like you do when you are in stand in numbers then?

So what would happen if you had given it loads to one of the players and the group abuse and they told you to fuck off in reply? You would be pissing your pants at how disgusting it was.

Alright chirpy, what's got up your nose this morning?

No I honestly couldn't give a monkeys. People who had a problem with me booing for a few measly seconds as I walked down the steps yesterday, could've quite easily confronted me about it. It's not as if I made a beeline for the front of the hoardings and singled each one of them out.

Nick · Sep 3, 2017

skybluepm2 said:
Alright chirpy, what's got up your nose this morning?

No I honestly couldn't give a monkeys. People who had a problem with me booing for a few measly seconds as I walked down the steps yesterday, could've quite easily confronted me about it. It's not as if I made a beeline for the front of the hoardings and singled each one of them out.

So it would be OK if the players told you to fuck off in reply?

I can sort of understand the people abusing Tim Fisher, maybe not the way they go about it but it's easy to see why. When it's the players it's baffling.

skybluepm2 · Sep 3, 2017

Ah this guy again. It's not a shit argument is it? I'm asking a question and no-one has been able to answer. If for instance we get tonked 5-0 to a team rock bottom of the table, what would you do? Clap them off presumably?

Nick · Sep 3, 2017

skybluepm2 said:
Ah this guy again. It's not a shit argument is it? I'm asking a question and no-one has been able to answer. If for instance we get tonked 5-0 to a team rock bottom of the table, what would you do? Clap them off presumably?

I just did answer. I'd just walk out and go home on the full time whistle, it isn't a difficult question to answer so not sure why you are giving it the "nobody has been able to answer line".

It is a shit argument, because the way you are going on you would think you have to just applaud, whoop and cheer the players or boo and abuse them with nothing in between.

skybluepm2 · Sep 3, 2017

Nick said:
So it would be OK if the players told you to fuck off in reply?

I can sort of understand the people abusing Tim Fisher, maybe not the way they go about it but it's easy to see why. When it's the players it's baffling.

No of course it wouldn't morally, because they are labelled as 'professionals' but it's only what they're thinking anyway. It's both the players and management who didn't do their jobs yesterday. Are you telling me that you didn't boo once at full time last season during the ridiculous amount of games that we lost and shocking performances that went with it?

skybluepm2 · Sep 3, 2017

Nick said:
I just did answer. I'd just walk out and go home on the full time whistle, it isn't a difficult question to answer so not sure why you are giving it the "nobody has been able to answer line".

It is a shit argument, because the way you are going on you would think you have to just applaud, whoop and cheer the players or boo and abuse them with nothing in between.

But my point is, if it's not good enough then why shouldn't the players and management be made aware of people's feelings? The very people who pay their wages and travel the length and breadth of the country to watch them play for the badge? All we want is success Nick. It's not as if we have just come down from the Prem or even the Championship after a few decent years. This is ingrained into the clubs fabric, accepting mediocrity.

Nick · Sep 3, 2017

skybluepm2 said:
No of course it wouldn't morally, because they are labelled as 'professionals' but it's only what they're thinking anyway. It's both the players and management who didn't do their jobs yesterday. Are you telling me that you didn't boo once at full time last season during the ridiculous amount of games that we lost and shocking performances that went with it?

Yes I am telling you that. I'd be pissed off and just go home when the whistle went rather than standing around. If we played well I'd hang about a bit longer and applaud.

So what you are saying is that in the stands when there are loads of people there it's OK for you to abuse the players, you wouldn't do it if it was just you and a player and if the players said anything back it would be wrong.

Nick · Sep 3, 2017

skybluepm2 said:
But my point is, if it's not good enough then why shouldn't the players and management be made aware of people's feelings? The very people who pay their wages and travel the length and breadth of the country to watch them play for the badge? All we want is success Nick. It's not as if we have just come down from the Prem or even the Championship after a few decent years. This is ingrained into the clubs fabric, accepting mediocrity.

It's not accepting it just because you aren't giving it the wanker signs to the players with the safety of being in the stands knowing they can't say anything back.

A lot of the time you can tell from the players faces and body language they are just as gutted as the fans. You have already said they were sheepish when they came over.

skybluepm2 · Sep 3, 2017

Nick said:
Yes I am telling you that. I'd be pissed off and just go home when the whistle went rather than standing around. If we played well I'd hang about a bit longer and applaud.

So what you are saying is that in the stands when there are loads of people there it's OK for you to abuse the players, you wouldn't do it if it was just you and a player and if the players said anything back it would be wrong.

Well that's your prerogative. And yes I do the same, praise is warranted where it is due. If we stick 4 past port vale next week then we will all be praising every single one of them. If I'd have been the only fan in that stand yesterday I'd have still booed. It was the feeling I wished to express at the time.

North York’s Blue · Sep 3, 2017

I can understand the fans frustrations yesterday, however it's not as though the team didn't create anything, far from it. I've seen far worse performances last season, notably Cambridge away in the cup; I did boo then. Yesterday I neither booed or clapped, just extremely disappointed that Robins didn't change his tactics and push for the win.

mechaishida · Sep 3, 2017

Yesterday was clearly a lot of "what ifs", if McNulty could hit a door with his own head then we'd be happy with a probable yet narrow win.

Again, there is a focused pressure on a striker who is not an out and out goal scorer; he looks and moves like an attacking midfielder and his intelligence is wasted on being a no.9.

MR had to grab what he could pre-season, so we have to hope this is a 'bedding in' phase, where a single spark of luck and fortune could propel the teams confidence somewhat.

Nick · Sep 3, 2017

skybluepm2 said:
Well that's your prerogative. And yes I do the same, praise is warranted where it is due. If we stick 4 past port vale next week then we will all be praising every single one of them. If I'd have been the only fan in that stand yesterday I'd have still booed. It was the feeling I wished to express at the time.

I just don't see the whole point of the wanker stuff and abusing the players when in the safety in the stand, when you would be outraged if they say something back because they are "professionals".

hill83 · Sep 3, 2017

Nick said:
I just don't see the whole point of the wanker stuff and abusing the players when in the safety in the stand, when you would be outraged if they say something back because they are "professionals".

That's just how it is. Double hard bastards in the stands, "hold me back" nonsense.

It's all learned behaviour. Our dads were at it. We are at it. Our children will be at it.

lifeskyblue · Sep 3, 2017

You pay your money so as long as it's within the law you are entitled to criticise players in any way you wish.
Personally I believe abuse of players is counter productive and breeds 'fear' on the pitch and an unwillingness to do anything that isn't safe. Hence playing it along the back line with a few minutes to go.

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Nick · Sep 3, 2017

hill83 said:
That's just how it is. Double hard bastards in the stands, "hold me back" nonsense.

It's all learned behaviour. Our dads were at it. We are at it. Our children will be at it.

It's like the kid in the playground who gives it loads, starts on people and cries when they get a whack.

I can understand it if people act a bit of a dick and then are quite understanding if they get some back or a whack, but when it's still the attitude of "no the players can't say anything back, they are pros" it's baffling.

skybluegod · Sep 3, 2017

skybluepm2 said:
But my point is, if it's not good enough then why shouldn't the players and management be made aware of people's feelings? The very people who pay their wages and travel the length and breadth of the country to watch them play for the badge? All we want is success Nick. It's not as if we have just come down from the Prem or even the Championship after a few decent years. This is ingrained into the clubs fabric, accepting mediocrity.

Again you do not pay their wages. They legally have to be paid whether you, I or any other fan go the matches or not.
Surely there is a better way of making your feelings known than booing?
'All we want is success' success isn't overnight? This team has only just been put together, they aren't going to become world beaters overnight, success takes time.
I don't see how not booing is accepting mediocrity?

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Sep 3, 2017

Grendel said:
If the players don't go over and clap the support they'd be accused of arrogance and not showing they care.

If they do its common courtesy to reply in kind

I for once totally agree with your post Grendel , keep up the good work, there's a good chap . :emoji_relaxed:

letsallsingtogether · Sep 3, 2017

Grendel said:
If the players don't go over and clap the support they'd be accused of arrogance and not showing they care.

If they do its common courtesy to reply in kind

It's also common coutesy to give your all for your team and it's supporters.
Don't boo myself but hey who am I to moan if people complain when they are short changed.
Yesterday we were short changed.

itsabuzzard · Sep 5, 2017

hill83 said:
That's just how it is. Double hard bastards in the stands, "hold me back" nonsense.

It's all learned behaviour. Our dads were at it. We are at it. Our children will be at it.

Break the cycle, chief.

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NortonSkyBlue · Sep 5, 2017

skybluepm2 said:
But my point is, if it's not good enough then why shouldn't the players and management be made aware of people's feelings? The very people who pay their wages and travel the length and breadth of the country to watch them play for the badge? All we want is success Nick. It's not as if we have just come down from the Prem or even the Championship after a few decent years. This is ingrained into the clubs fabric, accepting mediocrity.

Hey I would embrace mediocrity as a big step up

mrtrench · Sep 5, 2017

Can this thread title please be updated to "Turning Point Last Saturday"? I keep looking at it expecting a new, fresh turning point every day, only to be disappointed.

rupert_bear · Sep 5, 2017

We ain't good enough and fans know it and fear the worse. As for booing what else can supporters do, they've spent money probably over. 100 quid and got shite in return and let's not forget the boos were for the manager too, he selects the players and tactics, seen as a bit of a messiah at the moment that will soon change unless he looks at the teams he picks and the method of play employed the booing will intensify I believe. Remember we are about 12 places from non league, think about it.

Nick · Sep 5, 2017

rupert_bear said:
We ain't good enough and fans know it and fear the worse. As for booing what else can supporters do, they've spent money probably over. 100 quid and got shite in return and let's not forget the boos were for the manager too, he selects the players and tactics, seen as a bit of a messiah at the moment that will soon change unless he looks at the teams he picks and the method of play employed the booing will intensify I believe. Remember we are about 12 places from non league, think about it.

Remember how many games in we are.

Adge · Sep 5, 2017

And remember what division we are in.

hill83 · Sep 5, 2017

Adge said:
And remember what division we are in.

That's what it boils down to for me. I'm usually on the settle down side of the fence. It's only a few games in etc. But yep, division 4. Division fucking 4.

SHFWF

I still think it will come good though. Although who's to say how 'good' good is.

Nick · Sep 5, 2017

Adge said:
And remember what division we are in.

What's your point?

fernandopartridge · Sep 5, 2017

Nick said:
What's your point?

We're not currently good enough for higher leagues.

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Nick · Sep 5, 2017

fernandopartridge said:
We're not currently good enough for higher leagues.

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Squad is plenty good enough for this league though.

skyblue025 · Sep 5, 2017

Nick said:
Squad is plenty good enough for this league though.

Plenty good enough for where in this league though?

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