I assume you ask this purely for the sake of consistency i.e. keeping asking the same question, see how the answer changes to see what you can flush out. I say this because it seems clear to me that until the legals are totally played out, there will be no further action on the new stadium idea. In fact several people pointed out in Boddy's comments when we announced the 12 month Ricoh extension that he sounded like he was implying (without saying so in as many words) that a long term Ricoh lease was the preferred option. Rightly so IMO, building the Ricoh nearly killed this club so building another new ground hardly seems like a recipe for a revival in our fortunes. Plus we don't have the cash - Joy won't put more money in, nobody would lend SISU money to build a new stadium, Cov council jahahaha can't even believe I was going to explain that....SISU are going to try to use the legals to damage Wasps financially to the point where they have enough leverage to get the Ricoh (or a slice of it) off them. That's their Plan A; until they have run out of road on that option, they won't burn any time or money on pipe dreams like building a new ground. I for one am pleased about that, I love the Ricoh and would hate to see us leave (again).
Boddy also said he wasn't involved in the mediation.the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. We could build a better relationship with london wasps and maximise revenue stream in the medium term while planning for a new stadium in the longer term. I don't believe for one minute that will happen under sisu but speaking hypothetically.
OK, I'll bite...
Nobody believes SISU will do it.
However, in whatever SISU say, they hook onto kernels of truth to attempt to manipulate a perception. The frustrating thing with this one is because SISU have said about a new ground, the very concept is dismissed out of hand.
It shouldn't be.
Boddy also said he wasn't involved in the mediation.
See, you get a like for at least reading my post!Under normal owners I wouldn’t dismiss it especially under the circumstances we’re now in with regards the prospect of Ricoh ownership.
wasn't as in isn'thas that finished now ?
what was the outcome ?
the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. We could build a better relationship with london wasps and maximise revenue stream in the medium term while planning for a new stadium in the longer term. I don't believe for one minute that will happen under sisu but speaking hypothetically.
It's pointless discussing it with you as you have such a myopic vision you rant off about something ignoring completely whatever anybody says, which makes this post total gibberish!
It comes to something when I have to cite Tony as an example of how to read and not just repeat!Actually I have raised some valid and legitimate points in trying to debate
Exactly - personally I hope we get to stay at the Ricoh long term e.g. 25 year lease.nope, was asking it for the sake of our club.
If the choice is now sticking with the Ricoh year on year, it would be nice to know, so we can put the new stadium idea to bed and work out how we maximise revenues playing at the ricoh
Subtle !wasn't as in isn't
Says the bloke who seemingly just repeated "it shouldn't be" three times without adding anything else.It comes to something when I have to cite Tony as an example of how to read and not just repeat!
End of the month I think .has that finished now ?
what was the outcome ?
Because there's absolutely n point in saying anything else when you're tunnel vision and refuse to even read what's in front of you.Says the bloke who seemingly just repeated "it shouldn't be" three times without adding anything else.
Cheeky fuckerIt comes to something when I have to cite Tony as an example of how to read and not just repeat!
Who said they got them wrong? Where did they predict higher attendances than what has transpired? TBH I'd have though our season average is in line with what I expected at the start of the season.
I assume you ask this purely for the sake of consistency i.e. keeping asking the same question, see how the answer changes to see what you can flush out. I say this because it seems clear to me that until the legals are totally played out, there will be no further action on the new stadium idea. In fact several people pointed out in Boddy's comments when we announced the 12 month Ricoh extension that he sounded like he was implying (without saying so in as many words) that a long term Ricoh lease was the preferred option. Rightly so IMO, building the Ricoh nearly killed this club so building another new ground hardly seems like a recipe for a revival in our fortunes. Plus we don't have the cash - Joy won't put more money in, nobody would lend SISU money to build a new stadium, Cov council jahahaha can't even believe I was going to explain that....SISU are going to try to use the legals to damage Wasps financially to the point where they have enough leverage to get the Ricoh (or a slice of it) off them. That's their Plan A; until they have run out of road on that option, they won't burn any time or money on pipe dreams like building a new ground. I for one am pleased about that, I love the Ricoh and would hate to see us leave (again).
interesting tweet regarding the academy. Looks like its long(er) term future could be sorted soon.
How's that then? I have put out multiple discussion points but you refuse to debate and just call me names. IMO it is very myopic tunnel vision to argue that we ought to build a new stadium.Because there's absolutely n point in saying anything else when you're tunnel vision and refuse to even read what's in front of you.
Thankfully some are more open minded.
The main thing I took from the meeting last night was that Boddy, if he was being honest, has nothing to do with anything outside of the remit of CCFC, doesn’t seem to have a foot in the Sisu camp in the way that Fisher does. That said he is still a Sisu appointee and tows the party line in a way that Chris Anderson perhaps didn’t. It is clear that Sisu are focussed on the court cases and that no decisions about the club’s future will happen until they are concluded. It also is clear that the plight of the club being made homeless if Wasps stick to their guns will not lead to the action being dropped. When asked last night about what will happen this time next year if the court case is still going he really didn’t have an answer. He still felt that, despite Sharpe's statement that he won’t deal with Sisu, the BPA could still be an option. Big if I know but if we got promoted this season and if we challenged next season and if crowds were 12k plus, how would the BPA cope with the amount of people who would want to watch CCFC make another challenge in League one or even (dreaming I know) in the Championship.? Got to hope the case is thrown out and finished this year.
The main thing I took from the meeting last night was that Boddy, if he was being honest, has nothing to do with anything outside of the remit of CCFC, doesn’t seem to have a foot in the Sisu camp in the way that Fisher does. That said he is still a Sisu appointee and tows the party line in a way that Chris Anderson perhaps didn’t. It is clear that Sisu are focussed on the court cases and that no decisions about the club’s future will happen until they are concluded. It also is clear that the plight of the club being made homeless if Wasps stick to their guns will not lead to the action being dropped. When asked last night about what will happen this time next year if the court case is still going he really didn’t have an answer. He still felt that, despite Sharpe's statement that he won’t deal with Sisu, the BPA could still be an option. Big if I know but if we got promoted this season and if we challenged next season and if crowds were 12k plus, how would the BPA cope with the amount of people who would want to watch CCFC make another challenge in League one or even (dreaming I know) in the Championship.? Got to hope the case is thrown out and finished this year.
Yes let's hope so - hopefully Cov Rugby stick to their guns and make clear there's no way CCFC will move to the Butts.
He will be getting the bubbly out again if that happens. Weird.And make CCFC homeless? Good plan.
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From all that, it seems that the focus is on rebuilding the relationship with Wasps, growing our use of the Ricoh and aiming for a longer term stay. Can't read any of CJ's tweets in any other way.
And make CCFC homeless? Good plan.
He will be getting the bubbly out again if that happens. Weird.
But why? Wasps have already said they’re effectively kicking us out next year.The Ricoh Arena *cough cough*
i did punch the air when I saw Cov Rugby re-state their "no groundshare" stance...why, because I desperately want us to stay at the Ricoh. What's weird about that?
But why? Wasps have already said they’re effectively kicking us out next year.
Whilst I’d be happy if CCFC bought into the Ricoh 50/50, long term they can’t rent. If they can’t get 50/50, the building a new stadium is the only way to go
Yeah I’ll give you that, depends how you read it. The way I read it was that they were effectively doing us a favour and if the legals continue it won’t be happening next year.did they say they they're kicking us out or did they say that anything other than another year long extension isn't possible?
There seems to be a bit of confusion over what they actually said,
No they have not said that. If that was the case, they wouldn't have renewed us for another year. If anything I have only got the impression Wasps would like us to stay, purely for the revenue we berign in. The only reason they'd kick us out is if the court/legals situation deteriorates and they need to apply pressure.But why? Wasps have already said they’re effectively kicking us out next year.
Whilst I’d be happy if CCFC bought into the Ricoh 50/50, long term they can’t rent. If they can’t get 50/50, the building a new stadium is the only way to go
No they have not said that. If that was the case, they wouldn't have renewed us for another year. If anything I have only got the impression Wasps would like us to stay, purely for the revenue we berign in. The only reason they'd kick us out is if the court/legals situation deteriorates and they need to apply pressure.
Given their financial situation, it's likely that sooner or later they'll be receptive to a low-ish offer for us o take a stake in the Ricoh - certainly a lot lower than the cost of building a whole new stadium, which could come in at £40m. We could get 50% of the Ricoh for 5% of that price, in the right negotiating climate. That's what SISU are banking on.
Besides, you're thinking of a scenario where we own oru own ground and it's all done - it's like saying "we'd be better off if we were in the Premier League", well yes, but first you have to answer the questions around how we get into the new stadium scenario, viz
1 - who's going to pay for it?
2 - what'll it cost?
3 - impact on squad/team budget if we take money out to build
4 - etc
But why? Wasps have already said they’re effectively kicking us out next year.
did they say they they're kicking us out or did they say that anything other than another year long extension isn't possible?
There seems to be a bit of confusion over what they actually said,
"It is widely known that there are obstacles – in the form of the current legal proceedings – which stand in the way of a longer-term agreement.
“We believe it is important for all parties concerned that we clarify at this stage that, unless those obstacles have been overcome by the time those discussions for the 2019/20 season would normally commence, then, regrettably, we will not be in a position to enter such discussions.”
Bet that football finance 'expert' won't be tweeting anything about extra money having to be put in.Apparently the club needed to be provided bridging finance at the turn of the year. Given as said above Boddy provided an attendance budget of 9000 that says to me that the finances are very tight and there was a shortfall. Add to that the fact Otium required additional funding in 2017 of 500k and 530k in 2016 then the club is not living within its own means.
No they have not said that. If that was the case, they wouldn't have renewed us for another year. If anything I have only got the impression Wasps would like us to stay, purely for the revenue we berign in. The only reason they'd kick us out is if the court/legals situation deteriorates and they need to apply pressure.
Given their financial situation, it's likely that sooner or later they'll be receptive to a low-ish offer for us o take a stake in the Ricoh - certainly a lot lower than the cost of building a whole new stadium, which could come in at £40m. We could get 50% of the Ricoh for 5% of that price, in the right negotiating climate. That's what SISU are banking on.
Besides, you're thinking of a scenario where we own oru own ground and it's all done - it's like saying "we'd be better off if we were in the Premier League", well yes, but first you have to answer the questions around how we get into the new stadium scenario, viz
1 - who's going to pay for it?
2 - what'll it cost?
3 - impact on squad/team budget if we take money out to build
4 - etc
Bet that football finance 'expert' won't be tweeting anything about extra money having to be put in.
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