Your points are well and good but you have to realise half the country think anyone remotely left is a commie. I like Bernie but think he would have got mauled.
You do realise the consensus among voters was that they preferred Bernie on the policy (and loads of exit polls back that up) but they thought Biden was more likely to beat Trump. ‘Not Trump’ was also the dominant reason given for supporting him in this election.
Pete didn’t win Iowa and polled at nearly 0 with black voters. It was all about not having a progressive nominee and in a split field Bernie was on course to win.
Isn’t that just beautiful? He’s the most popular twitterer in the worldAm I losing my marbles or has trump gained about 50 million twitter followers in a couple days?
Sure he had 30 odd million
It's lateI've just looked,, he hasn't.. Losing my marbles
I'm actually squinting looking at my phone, have dark circles under the eyes.... Haven't slept well for couple weeks... Catching upIt's late
So remind me again why he’s an “appalling candidate” if Democratic voters overwhelmingly backed him to be more likely to win an election than Sanders?
Why is this?I liked Bernie but he wanted universal healthcare and (unfortunately) that’s a complete non-starter here.
We could be hear all night if I answered that now, I’ll do it tomorrow. As a taster though:
Demographic split-hardly anyone voting in the primary under 45 was into Biden. Support coming heavily from boomers who take their news from traditional media which is saturated with ‘Biden is more electable’ but no evidence for it. To reiterate, the voters preferred Bernie’s policies. The older ones believed the narrative that he wasn’t as electable and as their turnout is always strong and every candidate had given him their backing the opponent had no chance.
Opposition to giving people healthcare, decriminalising drugs, a higher minimum wage, pulling out of wars etc etc
Being in obvious and painful cognitive decline to the point Obama privately advised him not to run last year
A longer term record of bragging about wanting to cut the social safety net.
Voting for the Iraq war
Guess that ended up longer than I planned, I could keep going for a while. The guy is a 1980s or 90s Republican with a D next to his name. Without all the co-ordinated dropouts he’d have ended up coming 4th or 5th and fading into obscurity.
Except in Arizona.Bizarre trump is wishing to stop the military from getting a vote
Why is this?
I don’t disagree, and the evidence suggest that in 2016, Bernie would have beaten Trump handily. Ultimately, we’ll never know as it never came to pass.
The left in the USA, and to lesser degree in the UK too, has moved away from economic issues and attached itself to cultural issues. In my view, this trend generally explains why the ‘left’ is losing support to right wing populists across the western world.
Working class voter across the rust belt swapped to Trump in 2016 because he actually spoke about issues that affected them. Such as, the loss of manufacturing jobs to developing nations and so on.
Frankly, if a more polished Republican articulates these arguments in 2024, they’ll go back to Republican if the Democrats continue to be preoccupied with the cultural issues.
My outlook for the Biden presidency is not very positive.
Biden just won with the biggest share of any challenger since FDR. The republicans haven’t won a popular vote this century other than post 9/11. Immigration is turning a lot of red states more and more blue.
You’re just taking the U.K. story and replacing Tories with Republicans but they’re two different countries with two different sets of issues.
I forgot to ask. How’s your cornflakes been the last few days? I’m guessing a little salty from your bitter tears.Trump over Biden any day of the week. Easy win today - landslide. Then all the rabid left can cry into their cornflakes and wonder why the biased media got it so wrong.
I forgot to ask. How’s your cornflakes been the last few days? I’m guessing a little salty from your bitter tears.
I'm not sure he is able to reply. He's buried under a landslide at he moment.I forgot to ask. How’s your cornflakes been the last few days? I’m guessing a little salty from your bitter tears.
I'm not sure he is able to reply. He's buried under a landslide at he moment.
I mean....I get it. I don’t even disagree with most of it. But all that notwithstanding - he still beat Bernie. He’s still beating Trump. There’s no big conspiracy here - it’s just what people voted for. To argue that he’s not your favourite candidate, or not the best possible candidate is one thing. To argue that he’s a failure is quite another.
Biden just won with the biggest share of any challenger since FDR. The republicans haven’t won a popular vote this century other than post 9/11. Immigration is turning a lot of red states more and more blue.
You’re just taking the U.K. story and replacing Tories with Republicans but they’re two different countries with two different sets of issues.
Maybe there’s been voter fraud by trump supportersI'm highlighting trends where traditional parties are losing it's traditional party base.
In the UK, Labour stretched its advantage in metropolitan areas, and won a few University town/city seats. In the US, the Democrats have widened the gap in states like California.
Interest comparison with FDR, who carried 472 electoral college votes. He was genuinely winning support all over the USA against a President who was perceived to be doing nothing to fight the Depression. Biden is beating Trump by 4.3 million votes nationally. Biden is also winning by 4.3 million votes in California alone with only 66% of the votes counted and another 0.8 million votes in NY, with only 78% of votes counted. The Democrats are very popular in these safe states.
If Biden was genuinely that popular, the election would have been decided on election night and he would've won in the states that are 'too close to call' decisively.
The US is dealing with a massive pandemic, an economic downturn as a result and a lot of civil unrest. Biden is viewed pretty favourably compared to a President is viewed unfavourably. This election shouldn't be this close which ever way you look at it.
Maybe there’s been voter fraud by trump supporters
Been there LolI'm actually squinting looking at my phone, have dark circles under the eyes.... Haven't slept well for couple weeks... Catching up
I'm highlighting trends where traditional parties are losing it's traditional party base.
In the UK, Labour stretched its advantage in metropolitan areas, and won a few University town/city seats. In the US, the Democrats have widened the gap in states like California.
Interest comparison with FDR, who carried 472 electoral college votes. He was genuinely winning support all over the USA against a President who was perceived to be doing nothing to fight the Depression. Biden is beating Trump by 4.3 million votes nationally. Biden is also winning by 4.3 million votes in California alone with only 66% of the votes counted and another 0.8 million votes in NY, with only 78% of votes counted. The Democrats are very popular in these safe states.
If Biden was genuinely that popular, the election would have been decided on election night and he would've won in the states that are 'too close to call' decisively.
The US is dealing with a massive pandemic, an economic downturn as a result and a lot of civil unrest. Biden is viewed pretty favourably compared to a President is viewed unfavourably. This election shouldn't be this close which ever way you look at it.
He’s consoling himself by playing golf and marking his own card. Got a feeling he’s about to break another course record.Is this the bit where Trump calls in his private army of assault-rifle toting monkeys and bolts the gates?
Shit & fan springs to mind.
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