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Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (17 Viewers)

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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Today at 11:44 AM
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
When the bait fails, just call people wankers and hope for the best. The WUM equivalent of knocking it long for an equaliser in stoppage time
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It’s pointing out what are you, I’m not trying to wum. I’m stating facts. You also reply every time so it shows what a sad individual you are
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 12:00 PM
  • #14,422
chiefdave said:
I find it very strange the number of 'I'm not defending him but..." posts that are all over social media. If one or two things on a big long list of abhorrent things someone has said are slightly out of context it doesn't redeem the person so why the need to concentrate on that?

It can only really be to try and force a narrative that actually he wasn't really a guy who held horrific views he was just misunderstood.

The same thing is being done with the rallies he held. If you watch them they are clearly set up so that the person who has agreed to debate him is harangued and ridiculed but this style of 'debate' is now being presented as a willingness to listen to both sides. He was in no way willing to listen to views that didn't match his. Listen to the people who were on one of the lists compiled as targets talk about how their personal and professional lives have been destroyed once he set his army of followers on them.
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You can rarely get context from a single sentence, especially in a debate and if you’re saying someone wants to stone gays to death and that’s why he might’ve deserved to die, I think you should probably be certain that this is what he said he wants (that’s not a response to Otis but the original complied list ) As Campbell accepted this was incorrect.

Just found this on X which covers the stoning quote and also actually covers pretty much what I was trying to say.


Will pop a couple of relevant links to other quotes when I’ve got time later. Again, this is not condoning everything kirk said, I’ve said before there’s stuff I totally disagree with and it doesn’t sit well with me but this is about at least having the full picture of what someone said before forming judgement
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 12:06 PM
  • #14,423
His widow spoke the words of Jesus not many others didn
 

mmttww

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  • Today at 12:29 PM
  • #14,424
SkyBlueDom26 said:
You stopped crying yet, saddo
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No. You and 'your mate' were so good at hurty words that I've cried non-stop for six months. It's been hard.

I have to be attached to an IV at all times so I don't die from dehydration and people look at me weird.
 
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Farmer Jim

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  • Today at 12:40 PM
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Otis said:
Yeah, sure. This is why I pretty much dislike all religion.

I do know of Muslims though who though don't believe homosexuality is right, but accept it, as part of our way of life over here.

On all sides, it is the fundamental religious groups that carry out the biggest threat, because they want to take us all back to those thousands of years old scriptures.

I know there is a problem within Islam. It's plain to see. I also know though that there are an awful lot of Muslim people they have come over here and integrated into society.

One of the Muslim guy's I talked about before, joined the British Army.
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Religion can do strange things to people tbh.

I have a very good mate, who is a long standing Barrister, who works in family law in a chambers in London, one of her colleagues, who I`ve met on several occasions who is a top girl, is a British born Asian Muslim and she point blank refuses to believe or accept that there are any Muslim men anywhere in the world, who are gay, as it`s " impossible, as they are Muslim " !!!!!

No matter what evidence is presented to her, she won`t have it.

What makes the whole the whole thing even more bizarre, is that one of the clerks in her chambers, is an openly gay Asian lad, who lives with his partner ( he`s not gay and they`re just flat mates )

I`m sure the exact same thing applies to fundamentalists in every religion.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 12:43 PM
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Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s right I don’t think the danger is Islam it’s religious fundamentalism in fact all sorts of fanatical extremism are an issue
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ok

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds

Survey for Channel 4 documentary finds 23% want sharia law but most feel strong connection with Britain
www.theguardian.com
 
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Otis

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  • Today at 12:46 PM
  • #14,427
Farmer Jim said:
Religion can do strange things to people tbh.

I have a very good mate, who is a long standing Barrister, who works in family law in a chambers in London, one of her colleagues, who I`ve met on several occasions who is a top girl, is a British born Asian Muslim and she point blank refuses to believe or accept that there are any Muslim men anywhere in the world, who are gay, as it`s " impossible, as they are Muslim " !!!!!

No matter what evidence is presented to her, she won`t have it.

What makes the whole the whole thing even more bizarre, is that one of the clerks in her chambers, is an openly gay Asian lad, who lives with his partner ( he`s not gay and they`re just flat mates )

I`m sure the exact same thing applies to fundamentalists in every religion.
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And not just fundamentalists. Russians too

My ex wife was adamant there were no gay people in Russia. Vehemently said there wasn't

It will be the same in North Korea too.

As a side note, I have been to Russia 5 times now and not once saw a person in a wheelchair, or anyone that appeared to have learning difficulties.
 
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Otis

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  • Today at 12:46 PM
  • #14,428
Grendel said:
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Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds

Survey for Channel 4 documentary finds 23% want sharia law but most feel strong connection with Britain
www.theguardian.com
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I am not surprised by that stat at all.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Today at 12:47 PM
  • #14,429
Sky Blue Pete said:
His widow spoke the words of Jesus not many others didn
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Yeah fair play to her standing by true Christian values and publicly forgiving the killer of her husband. She deserves respect for.
 
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Grendel

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  • Today at 12:52 PM
  • #14,430
Otis said:
I am not surprised by that stat at all.
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Im sure someone will be along to deny it soon
 
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djr8369

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  • Today at 12:54 PM
  • #14,431
Brighton Sky Blue said:
South Park got it bang on. Trigger the libs, but edit out the ones who actually give you a rebuttal or a refutation. Stephen Crowder who is very similar made the mistake of leaving up such a case and he took a bit of a knock. The guy who made a 'change my mind' series but never looked once like he was actually open to having his mind changed because he thinks that makes him look weak, when it's the opposite.

Debating, or at least the mass produced internet/TV ones, are more about who projects more confidence than who has won the battle of ideas. No denying that Kirk and other right wing grifters were skilled at it.
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Spot on. Performative open mindedness and debate has been a big tactic the last several years.
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Today at 12:57 PM
  • #14,432
A beautiful Christian woman.
Her speech was a call to people to choose God.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Today at 1:01 PM
  • #14,433
Grendel said:
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Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds

Survey for Channel 4 documentary finds 23% want sharia law but most feel strong connection with Britain
www.theguardian.com
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Voting Greens and now a Guardian reader. I always knew you’d end up a yoghurt-knitter.
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 1:07 PM
  • #14,434
Sick Boy said:
Voting Greens and now a Guardian reader. I always knew you’d end up a yoghurt-knitter.
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He’s been reliably posting this link for years, it may be an involuntary reflex at this point
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 1:08 PM
  • #14,435
SBT said:
He’s been reliably posting this link for years, it may be an involuntary reflex at this point
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I think it’s the second time I’ve posted it - and I knew you’d be along to try and deny its credibility- I guess one has to also wonder why it’s an involuntary reflex for you to respond
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 1:11 PM
  • #14,436
mmttww said:
No. You and 'your mate' were so good at hurty words that I've cried non-stop for six months. It's been hard.

I have to be attached to an IV at all times so I don't die from dehydration and people look at me weird.
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I’m still so warmed by how much interest he takes in my career choices.
 

SkyBlueCharlie9

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  • Today at 1:17 PM
  • #14,437
SkyBlueDom26 said:
You really are a sad insufferable wanker aren’t you
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What is wrong Dom? Just hurling abuse is not a discussion.
 

SkyBlueCharlie9

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  • Today at 1:23 PM
  • #14,438
Grendel said:
I think it’s the second time I’ve posted it - and I knew you’d be along to try and deny its credibility- I guess one has to also wonder why it’s an involuntary reflex for you to respond
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Come on then Grenners was Kirk genuinely a morally upstanding peaceful Christian who just loved free speech and was open to healthy debate.
Or was he more of hard right fundamentalist Christian that manipulated media but didn't respect women and hated gays, blacks, hispanics, trans. etc. ?
Please dont deflect onto something else unrelated.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 1:28 PM
  • #14,439
CCFCSteve said:
Ive already said many of his views were unsavory and justifiably pulled apart. I was saying that quotes list used some incorrect and out of context quotes as I had seen Campbell’s apology and other stuff in socials responding to some of the others. Can dig out more if needs be but also got other stuff to do so might be later
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As promised

Here’s context to the black pilot quote (main bit from a minute left)


Here’s a one about Kirk’s view on civil rights act


Again, just to be very clear, this isn’t condoning what Kirk might’ve said about issues or even regarding these specific topics, just that those one line quotes circulating on X/Bluesky don’t provide any context at all.

Oh and before anyone says anything, I haven’t just searched for black posters videos to labour my point, these were the best explanations that popped up with video content to show the context
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 1:29 PM
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Ps is there a way to attach the link that doesn’t turn it into a big preview of page ?
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 1:57 PM
  • #14,441
Grendel said:
I think it’s the second time I’ve posted it - and I knew you’d be along to try and deny its credibility- I guess one has to also wonder why it’s an involuntary reflex for you to respond
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Lol, maybe your memory isn’t what it used to be, it’s at least five times over the past two years alone!

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 2:04 PM
  • #14,442
SBT said:
Lol, maybe your memory isn’t what it used to be, it’s at least five times over the past two years alone!

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‘I meant second time this year’
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 2:05 PM
  • #14,443
Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘I meant second time this year’
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In fairness to Grendel, it is only the second time he’s shared it this month
 

TomRad85

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  • Today at 2:08 PM
  • #14,444
CCFCSteve said:
As promised

Here’s context to the black pilot quote (main bit from a minute left)


Here’s a one about Kirk’s view on civil rights act


Again, just to be very clear, this isn’t condoning what Kirk might’ve said about issues or even regarding these specific topics, just that those one line quotes circulating on X/Bluesky don’t provide any context at all.

Oh and before anyone says anything, I haven’t just searched for black posters videos to labour my point, these were the best explanations that popped up with video content to show the context
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I've seen a bit of Kirks content since the incident and he seems fairly likeable, he's just a normal American conservative really but a fairly friendly one compared to some. Also seen a lot of stuff showing things that were attributed to him, presumably to justify murder, were mostly taken out of context.
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Today at 2:10 PM
  • #14,445
SBT said:
Lol, maybe your memory isn’t what it used to be, it’s at least five times over the past two years alone!

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Absolute saddo you are who’s life revolves around this forum, that’s why you called yourself sbt
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Today at 2:11 PM
  • #14,446
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
What is wrong Dom? Just hurling abuse is not a discussion.
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It’s stating facts Charles
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 2:18 PM
  • #14,447
TomRad85 said:
I've seen a bit of Kirks content since the incident and he seems fairly likeable, he's just a normal American conservative really but a fairly friendly one compared to some. Also seen a lot of stuff showing things that were attributed to him, presumably to justify murder, were mostly taken out of context.
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He gets credit from me for having spoken directly against Trump over bombing Iran for no good reason. More palatable than Steven Crowder, but it’s a low bar for these guys.
 

TomRad85

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  • Today at 2:21 PM
  • #14,448
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He gets credit from me for having spoken directly against Trump over bombing Iran for no good reason. More palatable than Steven Crowder, but it’s a low bar for these guys.
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I think i've heard the name but i do not know who this man is. I think its better for my sanity if i don't dedicate any time in finding out.
 
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SBT

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  • Today at 2:28 PM
  • #14,449
CCFCSteve said:
Here’s context to the black pilot quote (main bit from a minute left)
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The argument of “I don’t actually believe these bad things but DEI is making me think them” isn’t especially compelling to me, I have to say.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 2:32 PM
  • #14,450
TomRad85 said:
I think i've heard the name but i do not know who this man is. I think its better for my sanity if i don't dedicate any time in finding out.
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He was doing what Kirk did before Kirk did it
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 2:32 PM
  • #14,451
Grendel said:
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Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds

Survey for Channel 4 documentary finds 23% want sharia law but most feel strong connection with Britain
www.theguardian.com
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People can think what they like Grendel even in this so called Marxist state as some would have you believe
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 2:34 PM
  • #14,452
Otis said:
And not just fundamentalists. Russians too

My ex wife was adamant there were no gay people in Russia. Vehemently said there wasn't

It will be the same in North Korea too.

As a side note, I have been to Russia 5 times now and not once saw a person in a wheelchair, or anyone that appeared to have learning difficulties.
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It was the same in Germany in the 40’s no Jews or gypsys or disabled people
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Today at 3:02 PM
  • #14,453
SBT said:
The argument of “I don’t actually believe these bad things but DEI is making me think them” isn’t especially compelling to me, I have to say.
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I guess neither was him saying of course anyone of any skin colour would be qualified and to think otherwise is bigoted ?

Anyway, the point I was making is that there is wider context to the single line quotes, whether people want to acknowledge that is up to them
 

Otis

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  • Today at 3:03 PM
  • #14,454
CCFCSteve said:
As promised

Here’s context to the black pilot quote (main bit from a minute left)


Here’s a one about Kirk’s view on civil rights act


Again, just to be very clear, this isn’t condoning what Kirk might’ve said about issues or even regarding these specific topics, just that those one line quotes circulating on X/Bluesky don’t provide any context at all.

Oh and before anyone says anything, I haven’t just searched for black posters videos to labour my point, these were the best explanations that popped up with video content to show the context
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That video is good in explaining things. That sort of points to him not being racist in any way there, but then when he talks about "prowling blacks", that is a very racist thing to say.

Would need to see if there is any context there
 

Otis

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  • Today at 3:04 PM
  • #14,455
Sky Blue Pete said:
It was the same in Germany in the 40’s no Jews or gypsys or disabled people
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Yup and similar now. No Leicester, No Sunderland, No VAR.
 
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