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Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (7 Viewers)

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PVA

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  • Jun 25, 2025
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The best people

 
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rondog1973

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  • Jun 25, 2025
  • #12,287
PVA said:
The best people

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May as well have said my dog ate it.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 25, 2025
  • #12,288
PVA said:
No, they are changing defence budgets because he's a fucking idiot who's in bed with war criminals.
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So I assume we will refuse to allow the US to use our airbases as he presents a threat to our sovereignty?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 25, 2025
  • #12,289
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Or we're changing our defence budgets because his actions are making the world much more unstable and we doubt whether we can rely on supposed partners if it all goes to shit.

Given there's supposedly no money even if we are appeasing Trump I'm sure we're looking to reduce it back ASAP. Or if they've got any brains they'll just be reclassifying stuff as national security/military spending. Not like he's going to check.

I'm hoping we get through this and we can see how much we 'fawn' over him when he's gone and people start telling the truth.

We all know in a few decades time they'll be queueing up to say how Trump has shit for brains and the temperament of a child.
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Why do we need to double our defence spending?
 

tisza

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,290
Grendel said:
So I assume we will refuse to allow the US to use our airbases as he presents a threat to our sovereignty?
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But we are sending "him" around a billion dollars for 12 nuclear bombers - that aren't actually nuclear bombers unless the US President says the nuclear bombs can be used as he owns the bombs. Knee jerk nonsense.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,291
tisza said:
But we are sending "him" around a billion dollars for 12 nuclear bombers - that aren't actually nuclear bombers unless the US President says the nuclear bombs can be used as he owns the bombs. Knee jerk nonsense.
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When people say we can’t fire the nukes without the US they don’t mean we need to ring up for permission lol.

The support systems and guidance systems are US run, but command and control of the bombs is entirely within the UK. If the US went rogue tomorrow we’d just have to learn maintenance before they broke and replace guidance systems, but then we’d have to do that for everything that used GPS.
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,292
Trump's the Daddy
 

tisza

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,293
shmmeee said:
When people say we can’t fire the nukes without the US they don’t mean we need to ring up for permission lol.

The support systems and guidance systems are US run, but command and control of the bombs is entirely within the UK. If the US went rogue tomorrow we’d just have to learn maintenance before they broke and replace guidance systems, but then we’d have to do that for everything that used GPS.
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That's not what NATO, UK and US Govts say. America owns the weapons and are responsible for their maintenance etc. the nuclear non-proliferation makes this clear.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,294
tisza said:
That's not what NATO, UK and US Govts say. America owns the weapons and are responsible for their maintenance etc. the nuclear non-proliferation makes this clear.
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We are living after all on Airstrip One.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,295
PVA said:
Of course we should increase spend, regardless of Trump. If anything we should increase spend because of Trump - not because he tells us to, but because he makes the world a more unstable place.

Also 'buying off Trump' - the money doesn't go to the US government.
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The US government has forever been a representative of the US private sector in its international operations. Trump is not secret about this.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,296
fernandopartridge said:
The US government has forever been a representative of the US private sector in its international operations. Trump is not secret about this.
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Of course, I just mean the US government is not receiving our money.
 
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Otis

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,297
CovValleyBoy said:
Trump's the Daddy
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He is. Not quite sure to how many children yet though.

Give it another 5 -10 years or so and look for how many businesses go bankrupt
 
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tisza

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,298
fernandopartridge said:
The US government has forever been a representative of the US private sector in its international operations. Trump is not secret about this.
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Every Govt is.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,299
tisza said:
Every Govt is.
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Nobody is anywhere near as proactive as the US in that regard
 

David O'Day

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,300
They are allowing themselves to get majorly wound up by the Ayatollah now.
 
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Skybluekyle

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  • Jun 26, 2025
  • #12,301
tisza said:
That's not what NATO, UK and US Govts say. America owns the weapons and are responsible for their maintenance etc. the nuclear non-proliferation makes this clear.
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I think there is a bit of confusion here? If I am not mistaken, you are referring to the UK's recent announcement it intends to purchase F-35As with nuclear weapon deployment capability and the commitment to join NATO's nuclear sharing program, and shmmeee is referring to Trident.

The usage of F-35A for nuclear purposes will require US and NATO authorisation as part of the existing NATO nuclear sharing framework, but Trident remains independent from a deployment perspective, the UK can use Trident without prior authorisation from any other country, including the US, at the request of the Prime Minister or via the "Letters of Last Resort" mechanism.

This calls into question the strategic vulnerability caused by the over-reliance on American made nuclear technology, but that would form part of the wider question rather than simply the recent announcement. Of course, this is moot as the US and UK are very closely aligned on nuclear affairs, with no real signs of deviation.
 
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Farmer Jim

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  • Jun 26, 2025
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 26, 2025
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Who is in the cuck chair? Vance?
 
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SBT

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,304
Pretty crazy that a member of Congress can come out with this stuff and it’s just not even remotely a story

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,305
SBT said:
Pretty crazy that a member of Congress can come out with this stuff and it’s just not even remotely a story

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Evil Muslims promising free bus travel
 
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mmttww

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,306
SBT said:
Pretty crazy that a member of Congress can come out with this stuff and it’s just not even remotely a story
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Must be frightening for a lot of people in the US right now. If you've got elected officials sending out this message it's gonna enable so much sh*t in the wider public. You're essentially telling your followers that it's open season - just abuse brown(ish) people. Fill your boots!
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,307
Yeah just came in to post that Ogles stuff, it's grim.

Worse coming from a bloke who set up a Gofundme to raise money for a stillborn memorial site and kept the money.

And who sent this out as his family christmas card:

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,308
mmttww said:
Must be frightening for a lot of people in the US right now. If you've got elected officials sending out this message it's gonna enable so much sh*t in the wider public. You're essentially telling your followers that it's open season - just abuse brown(ish) people. Fill your boots!
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It’s what they did around when they invaded Iraq
 

tisza

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,309
Massive Supreme Court decision on the power of lower courts to apply nationwide injunctions. republicans used it themselves to block Biden but now a precedent has been set. Whether it's constitutionally correct or not is another matter as again the court ruled 6-3 along ideological/political lines.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,310
tisza said:
Massive Supreme Court decision on the power of lower courts to apply nationwide injunctions. republicans used it themselves to block Biden but now a precedent has been set. Whether it's constitutionally correct or not is another matter as again the court ruled 6-3 along ideological/political lines.
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That’s a real problem if even the lawyers are hell bent on supporting trump
 

tisza

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,311
Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s a real problem if even the lawyers are hell bent on supporting trump
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This is just a phase of the SC with a Republican-appointed majority. Both parties have politicised the lower courts. One of the big issues when US claims to be the "world's greatest democracy" is the politicisation of its court system. This SC decision won't stop Democrats and their appointed judges trying alternative ways to disrupt Trump much as the Republicans & their judges will do during the next Democratic Presidency.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 27, 2025
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The courts can still block state wide or so it seems to read

The actual case at hand over birth right citizenship is actually likely to be struck down by the SC anyway as it is clearly against the constitution and so my so even they can't fudge it,
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,313
tisza said:
This is just a phase of the SC with a Republican-appointed majority. Both parties have politicised the lower courts. One of the big issues when US claims to be the "world's greatest democracy" is the politicisation of its court system. This SC decision won't stop Democrats and their appointed judges trying alternative ways to disrupt Trump much as the Republicans & their judges will do during the next Democratic Presidency.
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Trump is really showing what a banana republic the US is constitutionally. Would be interesting to see how our democracy would survive a similar assault from the likes of Farage.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,314
tisza said:
Massive Supreme Court decision on the power of lower courts to apply nationwide injunctions. republicans used it themselves to block Biden but now a precedent has been set. Whether it's constitutionally correct or not is another matter as again the court ruled 6-3 along ideological/political lines.
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How would that work?

What if two courts in two different states are ruling on effectively the same issue? How could they both apply nationwide when they could totally contradict each other?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,315
shmmeee said:
Trump is really showing what a banana republic the US is constitutionally. Would be interesting to see how our democracy would survive a similar assault from the likes of Farage.
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I think our courts are slightly better protected, though not completely, from this sort of political machinations.

I have wondered if Trump could basically get members of the SC arrested and convicted (or bumped off) and thus replace them with his own picks.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,316
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I think our courts are slightly better protected, though not completely, from this sort of political machinations.

I have wondered if Trump could basically get members of the SC arrested and convicted (or bumped off) and thus replace them with his own picks.
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Didn’t he appoint something like three of them already?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jun 27, 2025
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
How would that work?

What if two courts in two different states are ruling on effectively the same issue? How could they both apply nationwide when they could totally contradict each other?
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The SC would then decide, it's what it is there for.
 

tisza

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,318
shmmeee said:
Trump is really showing what a banana republic the US is constitutionally. Would be interesting to see how our democracy would survive a similar assault from the likes of Farage.
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Americans are tied by having a written constitution and that it (and many key amendments) were written for another time. This obsessive adherence to documents from another time is absurd - much like the various religions that want firm adherence to things written often over a thousand years ago. Gun rights argumment is that the Constitution couldnever have envisioned the weapons now available to citizens, immigration arguments are that the Constitution could never have envisoned the huge numbers of people involved (population was only a shade under 4 million when it was written).
Farage would probably have to get UK out of ECHR & abolish the HouseofLords before he could inflict too much damage. Then the "beauty" of not having a written constitution is that subsequent Govts could unravel much of any damage Farage might try to inflicton on democracy.
 

tisza

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,319
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
How would that work?

What if two courts in two different states are ruling on effectively the same issue? How could they both apply nationwide when they could totally contradict each other?
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Goes through the various federal court levels until it reaches the SC. In these most recent cases SC has "jumped in" and fast-tracked them for quick decisions
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 27, 2025
  • #12,320
tisza said:
Americans are tied by having a written constitution and that it (and many key amendments) were written for another time. This obsessive adherence to documents from another time is absurd - much like the various religions that want firm adherence to things written often over a thousand years ago. Gun rights argumment is that the Constitution couldnever have envisioned the weapons now available to citizens, immigration arguments are that the Constitution could never have envisoned the huge numbers of people involved (population was only a shade under 4 million when it was written).
Farage would have to get UK out of ECHR & abloish the HouseofLords before he could inflict too much damage. Then the "beauty" of not having a written constitution is that subsequent Govts could unravel much of any damage Farage might try to inflicton on democracy.
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Yeah but I wonder what he’d get away with. So much as we found out under Johnson assumes a decent chap in charge who will have honour. I do think the courts are more independent which is key. But generally PMs with a majority have more latitude than Presidents on paper so there’s an awful lot he could do just with the legislature.
 
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