If I were in what position?What would you do then?
I think there's two people really laughing their socks off over all this.If I were in what position?
My worry is this is a situation that gets worse and costs more lives until someone stands up to Putin. I suspect someone will have to get more involved at some point and it’s probably better that it’s sooner. As for end conditions Putin either needs to be given enough he can sell it as victory at home or you need to give him a bloody enough nose he goes back with his tail between his legs.
Yeah no doubt China is watching on looking for their own opportunity.I think there's two people really laughing their socks off over all this.
Putin.
Xi.
It's been going on for years. A weakened and divided Europe with the UK out of the EU. Trump in America. And ongoing culture wars to distract and occupy people from it all. It's a bit late to actually be waking up to all of this now.I think there's two people really laughing their socks off over all this.
Putin.
Xi.
Yeah, it’s a shame so many still think Agent Farage is their mate. It’s not just him of course. Both China and Russia have hundreds of people cultivating their interests here and slowly dismantling the country while distracting everyone with arguments about gender neutral toilets and we just constantly play into their hands while the politicians setup their income streams for when they leave office.It's been going on for years. A weakened and divided Europe with the UK out of the EU. Trump in America. And ongoing culture wars to distract and occupy people from it all. It's a bit late to actually be waking up to all of this now.
Who?My worry is this is a situation that gets worse and costs more lives until someone stands up to Putin. I suspect someone will have to get more involved at some point
It's mad that the official account is actually posting that.State of it
Looks like it will have to be Europe.Who?
It's mad that the official account is actually posting that.
So many are triggered, it seems far more than the state visit of President Xi or Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia's visit, it's funny.
Elon hitting delete as fast as he can.Yes it's nuts.
And the answer of course is 'yes'.
Even if Europe had the resources, they don't have the will.Looks like it will have to be Europe.
If Europe is in chaos America will eventually get involved once it’s bad for business.
Putin will keep on taking until we find the will.Even if Europe had the resources, they don't have the will.
Very true.Even if Europe had the resources, they don't have the will.
Been fighting it myself for a year now, it’s horrible. All power to you.It's called insomnia. Suffered all my life. Sleep a couple of hours if I'm lucky.
I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Not even cunts like you.
It posted Trump wearing a crownIt's mad that the official account is actually posting that.
It's funny that he can't do a direct tweet on this subject unlike his European counterparts yet finds plenty of time to tweet in support of his favourite genocidal stateWow, tough words but unfortunately, actions speak louder than words. Presumably you also agree with the invitation of a state visit?
Even if Europe had the resources, they don't have the will.
Been fighting it myself for a year now, it’s horrible. All power to you.
What would you do then?
Im not sure that’s the case across the population of the EU. I’d imagine it’s pretty evenly split.I think they're beginning to find it.
I’ve had it since childhood. It’s a right bastard.Ah, feel for you, BSB. It's a horrible thing.
I have had it since the late 80s. Not sure what kicked it off. Used to it now, but still gets me down.
And when Ukraine run out of fighting aged men?That's a good question. Europe has to step up, and quickly.
A peace which rewards the aggressor won't be a lasting peace, we've seen that in Europe and specifically with Putin before.
So now it's about giving Ukraine the ability to dig in and defend itself until Russia realises it's an unwinnable war, even given Trump's about face.
Keep the economic squeeze on Russia and tighten it more if possible.
Over the next few years, use seized Russian assets and if necessary war bonds to fund the purchase of U.S. weapons to give to Ukraine, assuming that direct U.S. support is no longer available.
In the meantime, ramp up and rationalise European military capability so that when the time comes, Europe can be the realistic guarantor of any future peace deal, assuming that America is still in its pro-Putin isolationist phase.
What other choice is there?
Beyond Appeasement: What is Feasible for Ukraine
Accepting Russian conditions is not justified by the current situation in Ukraine. Instead, sustained Western assistance to Kyiv has strong prospects of securing a stalemate that protects European security and advances Ukraine’s goal of joining the European Union.www.csis.org
How do you think things play out then? They take the whole of Ukraine and everyone hopes they don’t go further later?And when Ukraine run out of fighting aged men?
This is completely unrealistic and buys straight into the US strategy to keep Russia engaged in war whilst it hoovers up the new markets created from it.
Why do you think they'll go further?How do you think things play out then? They take the whole of Ukraine and everyone hopes they don’t go further later?
That's a good question. Europe has to step up, and quickly.
A peace which rewards the aggressor won't be a lasting peace, we've seen that in Europe and specifically with Putin before.
So now it's about giving Ukraine the ability to dig in and defend itself until Russia realises it's an unwinnable war, even given Trump's about face.
Keep the economic squeeze on Russia and tighten it more if possible.
Over the next few years, use seized Russian assets and if necessary war bonds to fund the purchase of U.S. weapons to give to Ukraine, assuming that direct U.S. support is no longer available.
In the meantime, ramp up and rationalise European military capability so that when the time comes, Europe can be the realistic guarantor of any future peace deal, assuming that America is still in its pro-Putin isolationist phase.
What other choice is there?
Beyond Appeasement: What is Feasible for Ukraine
Accepting Russian conditions is not justified by the current situation in Ukraine. Instead, sustained Western assistance to Kyiv has strong prospects of securing a stalemate that protects European security and advances Ukraine’s goal of joining the European Union.www.csis.org
Historical precedent of the last several years. Putin wanting to claim back as much of the historic territory as he can. Russian birth rate in decline and being desperate for bodies.Why do you think they'll go further?
Historical precedent of the last several years. Putin wanting to claim back as much of the historic territory as he can. Russian birth rate in decline and being desperate for bodies.
How do you think it will play out?
So sorry to hear that, Torch.Ah, feel for you, BSB. It's a horrible thing.
I have had it since the late 80s. Not sure what kicked it off. Used to it now, but still gets me down.
What would you consider evidence?There is zero evidence to suggest any other countries will be targeted. He hasn’t the resource and China pulls his strings ultimately.
How do you think things play out then?
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