No he's not doing that, of course. But he is handing parts of a sovereign nation to a hostile invader with absolutely no penalty or concessions, in fact the opposite - he's making the invaded nation pay for it.
Yeah, maybe, but we are kind of used to you by now to be honest.Instead of being split like the usual SBT Off Topic Threads in terms of right leaning and left leaning, it seems that this one is split by adults and children.
Some of the posts on here are embarrassing.
He's handing it over? Putin already took it. Ukraine have absolutely no chance of getting it back, and they have next to no leverage in this whole thing. There is zero chance of successful military action against Russia, so whilst it is far from ideal, or just, the only way this ends is with some concessions. That's it.
What sort of concessions do you think Trump will get out of Putin?He's said some stupid shit, like inferring that Ukraine started it, yes. I suspect this is a combination of having a personal pop at Zelensky, whilst simultaneously softening Putin up to gain some leverage - the key point that many people seem to be missing. He isn't sending tanks into Kyiv, or helping Russia conduct bombing raids on Lviv.
You're talking as if Trump and co. respect the constitution and due process when their actions suggest the opposite. It's just a case of finding a pretence for it.
Yeah, maybe, but we are kind of used to you by now to be honest.
What sort of concessions do you think Trump will get out of Putin?
(Serious question and not a dig)
I’m sorry, but this is nonsense...
It’s that Trump is bullying Ukraine too that people are up in arms about. It’s not some groundbreaking insight only you and a couple of others see.He isn’t defending just stating an obvious fact
The Supreme Court declared the president to be above the law and the man himself threatens any judge who rules against him. If he simply refuses to leave office who will make him leave? Nobody.
He incited an insurrection. He's a convicted felon. He hoarded security documents at his house. He's repressing perceived enemies with executive orders and by firing civil servants. He encourages white power organisations and is fine with allies or appointments to his team throwing Nazi salutes. He's a tyrant and a sex pest. Tell me how that doesn't look like disrespecting the constitution and due process. I'm all ears.
One small problem with that theory and it is a theory. The investigations into Trump started when Trump was in office.Classic case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. He’s not a very good dictator if he leaves office despite believing he was cheated in 2020.
Biden literally mobilised the DOJ to try and convict his political rival. That is what real authoritarian leaders do.
There isn’t anything wrong with firing civil servants if you don’t believe they’ll carry out your agenda. On the security documents and executive orders, Biden was guilty of the exact same thing.
Classic case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
The first one was a joke.Another really grown up set of posts. Do you have anything else useful to contribute?
I have no idea what Trump will get out of it - who does? From my point of view, the first thing that comes is to stop the war.
So why couldn’t Harris beat him?He incited an insurrection. He's a convicted felon. He hoarded security documents at his house. He's repressing perceived enemies with executive orders and by firing civil servants. He encourages white power organisations and is fine with allies or appointments to his team throwing Nazi salutes. He's a tyrant and a sex pest. Tell me how that doesn't look like disrespecting the constitution and due process. I'm all ears.
So why couldn’t Harris beat him?
I guess if there’s any concession it will benefit Trump, he won’t even attempt to get anything for Ukraine.The first one was a joke.
And secondly, I merely asked, because people are talking of concessions. I just can't see what that could possibly be from the Russian side.
I guess if there’s any concession it will benefit Trump, he won’t even attempt to get anything for Ukraine.
As above though, that’s why people are so disgusted with him.
The worrying thing is what if Trump gets his deal but Ukraine and Europe reject it.
It's genuinely terrifying to me that anyone would be an apologist for him and try to equate the way he operates with others. Facism didn't work great last time out. Is that not something that occurs to you?
I’d ask you to define fascism but there’s little hope of that when you can’t spell it properly.
It’s a real shame that the word ‘fascist’ gets bandied about so casually that it starts to lose its proper meaning. People like you dilute its meaning to just people who you don’t like and disagree with.
I’d ask you to define fascism but there’s little hope of that when you can’t spell it properly.
It’s a real shame that the word ‘fascist’ gets bandied about so casually that it starts to lose its proper meaning. People like you dilute its meaning to just people who you don’t like and disagree with.
witch side you on lolInstead of being split like the usual SBT Off Topic Threads in terms of right leaning and left leaning, it seems that this one is split by adults and children.
Some of the posts on here are embarrassing.
So why couldn’t Harris beat him?
A couple of definitions of fascism:
'a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control, and being extremely proud of country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed'
'a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition'
And the early warning signs of fascism:
It's not hard to see why the word is bandied about towards Trump is it?
Oh get f*cked.
If Trump's someone you'll make excuses for I'm sad to think I might end up stood near you at a game watching my football club.
A couple of definitions of fascism:
'a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control, and being extremely proud of country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed'
'a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition'
And the early warning signs of fascism:
It's not hard to see why the word is bandied about towards Trump is it?
the mental gymnastics of calling him a fascists.
Do none of you have anything better to do with your time? Glued to this forum day and night.
Jesus weptClassic case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. He’s not a very good dictator if he leaves office despite believing he was cheated in 2020.
Biden literally mobilised the DOJ to try and convict his political rival. That is what real authoritarian leaders do.
There isn’t anything wrong with firing civil servants if you don’t believe they’ll carry out your agenda. On the security documents and executive orders, Biden was guilty of the exact same thing.
"Fascism... is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy."
He talks about genetics all the time. He's created a team that didn't exist before and given it carte blanche to circumvent checks and balances that are in place to keep politics out of civil service.
His appointments often have no expertise in the field they're assigned to and are either donors or rich captains of industry (or both). His right hand man literally offered people money to vote for him.
He's threatened Greenland with military force and proposed rehoming Palestinians into designated settlements. He's making deals with a dictator and wants countries to spend more on their military.
One of his first acts was to go after inclusion programmes aimed at marginalised and vulnerable groups. He says 'America First' all the time. He's done all he can to suppress dissent ('fake news').
It took a few mins to go through a solid, fairly unbiased definition of fascism and find examples of him acting it out. If you can't see the analog with historic fascism in there, I'm confused.
This ‘analysis’ reminds me of the deranged right wingers calling Obama communist because he wants to ‘redistribute wealth’ amongst other things. Again, it’s a distortion of language.
Go and compare what you’ve described to Mussolini and Hitler’s parties (or even Jean Le Pen’s NF) in the past and if you can’t tell the difference, I’m happy for us to knock the convo on its head and agree to disagree.
People who set the agenda or are part of his inner circle are throwing Nazi salutes at rallies and inaugurations. It's not analysis, it's them telling you what they are.
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