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Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (21 Viewers)

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PVA

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,416
Grendel said:
He has enforced conscription, banned people from leaving the country, tried to recall citizens to fight - while he sits with Global leaders and will have a Cayman Island account to fall back on.

Pretty easy to understand really.
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President in enforcing conscription and asking citizens to fight when invaded shocker, stop the press!!!!!!!
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,417
PVA said:
You've said something stupid, been called out on it, then thrown your toys out the pram. Standard for you really.
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What have I said that's stupid, exactly? That Ukraine is also corrupt and he will be looking after number 1 like the others.

Some weird fuckers on here, sat winnie the poohing in a Ukraine shirt probably as well.

Like I said, some weirdos need to go outside and get some actual friends. (Not just people in their Labour Facebook Groups who send them protest signs for their bedrooms).
 
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Evo1883

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,418
Hopefully peace can be negotiated. I'm not quite sure i agree at all with trumps current stance of " it's all your fault , you're a dictator and your country will pay entirely for this conflict " argument .

But peace must be negotiated but it requires America to take a far more firm stance with Moscow too .
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,419
Nick said:
I can't remember producing a percentage graph.

"bound to get shit". Go outside for a bit, for fuck sake.
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If "getting shit" is you producing some childish GIF or the regular cliches - such as "the state of you" - I think he will cope.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,420
Grendel said:
If "getting shit" is you producing some childish GIF or the regular cliches - such as "the state of you" - I think he will cope.
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I'm sure the bracelet-making fan club for Starmer will be after me.

Literally just spend all day finding tweets from other random weirdos for some sort of validation.
 
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Otis

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,421
Evo1883 said:
Hopefully peace can be negotiated. I'm not quite sure i agree at all with trumps current stance of " it's all your fault , you're a dictator and your country will pay entirely for this conflict " argument .

But peace must be negotiated but it requires America to take a far more firm stance with Moscow too .
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Hard TO agree, because nearly everything he's been saying has not been true.

He's all but talking like Russia is our friend and Ukraine, our enemy.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,422
Trump lying again (check the community note)


 
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Evo1883

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,423
Otis said:
Hard TO agree, because nearly everything he's been saying has not been true.

He's all but talking like Russia is our friend and Ukraine, our enemy.
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His rhetoric since becoming president in general has been quite alarming , the bloke and his sidekick are a pair of wankers
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,424
PVA said:
President in enforcing conscription and asking citizens to fight when invaded shocker, stop the press!!!!!!!
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Hence why your stupid GIF applies equally to him.

Still when it ends he and his wife can do a Vogue shoot.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,425
Grendel said:
A strange argument. So if one does it they all can?
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Whatever Zelensky has done is nothing compared to what his two counterparts are up to.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,426
Not that anyone in this thread cares, but here’s what we know about Zelenskys finances.

Fact check: No proof to back claims on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's assets and income

An array of media investigations and financial documents found no evidence that Zelenksyy has billions in assets as one viral post claims.
eu.usatoday.com
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,427
And on corruption, not good, like most Eastern European states outside the EU, but miles better than Russia, who are the alternative here.

How Deep Does Corruption Run in Ukraine?

Ukraine has made significant progress fighting graft, but its record continues to haunt it.
foreignpolicy.com

Basically the usual suspects are spouting utter bollocks they’ve had fed through their Twitter feed as per.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,428
shmmeee said:
And on corruption, not good, like most Eastern European states outside the EU, but miles better than Russia, who are the alternative here.

How Deep Does Corruption Run in Ukraine?

Ukraine has made significant progress fighting graft, but its record continues to haunt it.
foreignpolicy.com

Basically the usual suspects are spouting utter bollocks they’ve had fed through their Twitter feed as per.
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No one has said he is worth billions have they? Given you frequently use Twitter as a source the irony and lack of self awareness is again hilarious.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,429
Evo1883 said:
Hopefully peace can be negotiated. I'm not quite sure i agree at all with trumps current stance of " it's all your fault , you're a dictator and your country will pay entirely for this conflict " argument .

But peace must be negotiated but it requires America to take a far more firm stance with Moscow too .
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It should have happened ages ago. Weirdly, when I said the same thing a year or so ago, certain people liking your post were a bit more hostile to the idea.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,430
Sick Boy said:
It should have happened ages ago. Weirdly, when I said the same thing a year or so ago, certain people liking your post were a bit more hostile to the idea.
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You said a year ago that the US needed to be more firm with Russia and that you disagreed that it was all Ukraines fault and people were hostile? Really?

Everyone wants peace. The idea anyone including the Ukrainians don’t is a nonsense. The problem is people don’t think total capitulation will bring peace. But this has been said repeatedly and ignored repeatedly on this thread.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,431
shmmeee said:
You said a year ago that the US needed to be more firm with Russia and that you disagreed that it was all Ukraines fault and people were hostile? Really?

Everyone wants peace. The idea anyone including the Ukrainians don’t is a nonsense. The problem is people don’t think total capitulation will bring peace. But this has been said repeatedly and ignored repeatedly on this thread.
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You have stated Russia had to retreat and restore Ukraine as it was at the beginning of the war. This was bonkers and never happening.
 

mmttww

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,432
Grendel said:
You have stated Russia had to retreat and restore Ukraine as it was at the beginning of the war. This was bonkers and never happening.
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Why is it bonkers? You've got what might claim to be a military superpower failing to achieve close to what they wanted, shoved back in some areas, and it's taken c. 500k casualties in the process.

Isolating Russia economically and providing support to Ukraine hasn't led to serious retaliation despite Putin's rhetoric, unless you count snipping some undersea cables. What aces has Putin got to play?

Assertive diplomacy could tell him to take what positive PR he thinks he's gained, spin handing the land back as a victory somehow - not like his public is used to getting any truth from him as it is.

No one of note seems to support the US position on this since Trump came back. All I've read suggests the Russian economy is wrecked. Why would Ukraine and it's allies agree to stop with things as they are?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,433
Nick said:
Funny thing is, my comment was that they are all looking after themselves as individuals first and foremost. The responses were essays completely unrelated to what I said.

Seems like people have to be either one end of the scale or the other, Trump and Putin nasty men so completely ignore the fact Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries about. Can't possibly be the case that they are all at it, looking after number 1.

Weird.
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There’s degrees fffs
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,434
War is expensive and rarely achieves much other than an excuse to blame someone else for your own shortcomings, whether that be in finance, defence, ability to govern or who's support you need / trade. Basically as long as we keep it all at arms length and repeat 'down with that sort of thing', then it's just media soundbites all round. I accept we have a couple of seemingly dangerous nutters in charge (and no, I dont mean Starmer and Reeves ) but I dont think Trump is anything more than a pantomime villain in this one and simply wants the glory of saying he's brought world peace whatever concessions might have to be made.

 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,435
Sky Blue Pete said:
There’s degrees fffs
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Don't think I said otherwise did I?
 

rob9872

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,436
Sky Blue Pete said:
There’s degrees fffs
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'fffs'

'For For Fekkin Sake' or 'For Fekkin Fekkin Sake' - forget conflict, the are the answers I crave in life!
 
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mmttww

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,437
Nick said:
...one of the most corrupt countries about.
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"Transparency International's 2023 Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI), which scored 180 countries on a scale from 0 ("highly corrupt") to 100 ("very clean"), gave Ukraine a score of 36. When ranked by score, Ukraine ranked 104th among the 180 countries in the Index, where the country ranked first is perceived to have the most honest public sector.[28] For comparison with worldwide scores, the best score was 90 (ranked 1), the worst score was 11 (ranked 180), and the average score was 43.[29] For comparison with regional scores, the best score among Eastern European and Central Asian countries [Note 1] was 53, the worst score was 18 and the average score was 35. Commenting on Ukraine's 2023 CPI score, Transparency International noted that Ukraine's score has been improving steadily for 11 years, rising three points from the 2022 score."
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,438
mmttww said:
"Transparency International's 2023 Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI), which scored 180 countries on a scale from 0 ("highly corrupt") to 100 ("very clean"), gave Ukraine a score of 36. When ranked by score, Ukraine ranked 104th among the 180 countries in the Index, where the country ranked first is perceived to have the most honest public sector.[28] For comparison with worldwide scores, the best score was 90 (ranked 1), the worst score was 11 (ranked 180), and the average score was 43.[29] For comparison with regional scores, the best score among Eastern European and Central Asian countries [Note 1] was 53, the worst score was 18 and the average score was 35. Commenting on Ukraine's 2023 CPI score, Transparency International noted that Ukraine's score has been improving steadily for 11 years, rising three points from the 2022 score."
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it ranks as one of the worst in Europe and its human rights record for minorities is atrocious
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,439
mmttww said:
"Transparency International's 2023 Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI), which scored 180 countries on a scale from 0 ("highly corrupt") to 100 ("very clean"), gave Ukraine a score of 36. When ranked by score, Ukraine ranked 104th among the 180 countries in the Index, where the country ranked first is perceived to have the most honest public sector.[28] For comparison with worldwide scores, the best score was 90 (ranked 1), the worst score was 11 (ranked 180), and the average score was 43.[29] For comparison with regional scores, the best score among Eastern European and Central Asian countries [Note 1] was 53, the worst score was 18 and the average score was 35. Commenting on Ukraine's 2023 CPI score, Transparency International noted that Ukraine's score has been improving steadily for 11 years, rising three points from the 2022 score."
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For the record I don't think Ukraine is corrupt, but quoting 'perceptions' surely much of that is because of the feeling they've been wronged and without seeing the data, I imagine Russia scores low on the same scale. News, social media, even their own propaganda will add weight to the theory.
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,440
mmttww said:
No one of note seems to support the US position on this since Trump came back.
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Importantly for Trump, the US electorate support him.
He campaigned that he would halt the flow of taxpayer dollars to Ukraine and that's what he's doing.
Now those voters want to see the receipts for the billions Biden sent there. Seems that's a bit of a problem.
 
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Otis

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,441
SIR ERNIE said:
Importantly for Trump, the US electorate support him.
He campaigned that he would halt the flow of taxpayer dollars to Ukraine and that's what he's doing.
Now those voters want to see the receipts for the billions Biden sent there. Seems that's a bit of a problem.
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Well, do you keep all YOUR receipts?
 

mmttww

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,442
Grendel said:
it ranks as one of the worst in Europe and its human rights record for minorities is atrocious
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If you're concerned about their human rights, I'd guess they'd be more likely to improve with closer ties to the EU and an outcome to the war that's loaded in their favour than if Russia keeps huge chunks of it and has greater influence than it did before the conflict started.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,443
SIR ERNIE said:
Importantly for Trump, the US electorate support him.
He campaigned that he would halt the flow of taxpayer dollars to Ukraine and that's what he's doing.
Now those voters want to see the receipts for the billions Biden sent there. Seems that's a bit of a problem.
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But we've been told for the last 3 years that Biden was only supporting Ukraine for US economic gain.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,444
mmttww said:
If you're concerned about their human rights, I'd guess they'd be more likely to improve with closer ties to the EU and an outcome to the war that's loaded in their favour than if Russia keeps huge chunks of it and has greater influence than it did before the conflict started.
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Well yes Hungary is a land of milk and honey
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,445
PVA said:
But we've been told for the last 3 years that Biden was only supporting Ukraine for US economic gain.
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Why do you think he was supporting them - altruism?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,446
SIR ERNIE said:
Importantly for Trump, the US electorate support him.
He campaigned that he would halt the flow of taxpayer dollars to Ukraine and that's what he's doing.
Now those voters want to see the receipts for the billions Biden sent there. Seems that's a bit of a problem.
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Trump has been changing by the day the amount he claims Ukraine has received. He did this with the ‘condoms to Hamas’ nonsense too.

If Ukraine had not had American backing early on then Putin would have taken the lot. It needed to be done.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,447
Brighton Sky Blue said:
His country objectively is the victim in this conflict
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Yes it is, from both of the super powers discussing its future
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,448
fernandopartridge said:
Yes it is, from both of the super powers discussing its future
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The naivety on here is astonishing
 
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mmttww

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,449
Grendel said:
Well yes Hungary is a land of milk and honey
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Good straw man work as always. I'm not going to get into it with you - we see things fundamentally differently and I cba - but my point was about which of the options would be better. If you actually think they'd have stronger human rights with Russia owning chunks of it, and Russia being enabled by the US to influence what's left, that's confusing.
 

mmttww

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  • Feb 20, 2025
  • #9,450
Grendel said:
The naivety on here is astonishing
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a bit like your willingness to have two senile pseudo / wannabe fascist dictators carve up a sovereign nation.
 
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