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Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (18 Viewers)

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,576
torchomatic said:
Making political points out of a national tragedy. He's a fucking idiot.
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It’s beyond disrespectful to those who lost their lives. I didn’t think they’d stoop to something like.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,577
Sky Blue Pete said:
Harsh
Not sure hypocritical is right
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No more hypocritical than the Labour leadership.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,578
MalcSB said:
No more hypocritical than the Labour leadership.
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Me??
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,579
MalcSB said:
No more hypocritical than the Labour leadership.
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Or the clergy as yet more scandal emerges
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,580
Grendel said:
Or the clergy as yet more scandal emerges
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Or anyone who abuses their power
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,581
SBT said:
The anti-DEI stuff in aviation safety includes some of the most brazenly racist stuff I've ever seen in politics.
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I have had a very Quick Look at the “headlines”. Won’t be popular ( am I ever), but I don’t see a problem with the concept of merit over positive discrimination (which is still discrimination but typically of men or whites).

I worked in the NHS for a very long time and frankly got more than a bit sick of the additional support opportunities being offered to women to help them “ smash through the glass ceiling” to board level. Despite working in NHS Trusts where the majority of the board were female. That is, they had smashed through the glass ceiling on merit that I still felt stuck beneath.

With no additional support despite consistently meeting performance and financial targets, demonstrating merit.

Hence merit rather than positive discrimination certainly seems entirely fair to me given my experience of DEI.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,582
MalcSB said:
I have had a very Quick Look at the “headlines”. Won’t be popular ( am I ever), but I don’t see a problem with the concept of merit over positive discrimination (which is still discrimination but typically of men or whites).

I worked in the NHS for a very long time and frankly got more than a bit sick of the additional support opportunities being offered to women to help them “ smash through the glass ceiling” to board level. Despite working in NHS Trusts where the majority of the board were female. That is, they had smashed through the glass ceiling that I still felt stuck beneath.
With no additional support despite consistently meeting performance and financial targets.

Hence merit rather than positive discrimination certainly seems entirely fair to me given my experience of DEI.
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And the racist stuff
 
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CovValleyBoy

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,583
I'm sure I heard/read that the NHS recently had 50,000 employees off sick.
Can't be correct surely??
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,584
Sky Blue Pete said:
Me??
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Anyone who blindly supports Labour whilst disagreeing with things Labour support now which they didn’t whilst in opposition.

Im not entirely sure you fit entirely in that category. I do think that shmmeee does.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,585
MalcSB said:
I have had a very Quick Look at the “headlines”. Won’t be popular ( am I ever), but I don’t see a problem with the concept of merit over positive discrimination (which is still discrimination but typically of men or whites).

I worked in the NHS for a very long time and frankly got more than a bit sick of the additional support opportunities being offered to women to help them “ smash through the glass ceiling” to board level. Despite working in NHS Trusts where the majority of the board were female. That is, they had smashed through the glass ceiling that I still felt stuck beneath.
With no additional support despite consistently meeting performance and financial targets.

Hence merit rather than positive discrimination certainly seems entirely fair to me given my experience of DEI.
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But there's a very, very big difference between what you're saying there and what Trump said earlier.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,586
MalcSB said:
Anyone who blindly supports Labour whilst disagreeing with things Labour support now which they didn’t whilst in opposition.

Im not entirely sure you fit entirely in that category. I do think that shmmeee does.
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He described a child rape apologist as a brilliant man and refuses to this day to condemn the Welby creature
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,587
MalcSB said:
Anyone who blindly supports Labour whilst disagreeing with things Labour support now which they didn’t whilst in opposition.

Im not entirely sure you fit entirely in that category. I do think that shmmeee does.
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Go on then, you’re not quite Grendel level yet. I’ll bite. What have you got?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,588
shmmeee said:
Go on then, you’re not quite Grendel level yet. I’ll bite. What have you got?
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What level are you at? The whole forum pretty much thinks you are a complete joke
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,589
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,590
MalcSB said:
Hence merit rather than positive discrimination certainly seems entirely fair to me given my experience of DEI.
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The suggestion from various figures on the American right is that DEI practices are seeing unqualified or underqualified people be given aviation industry roles that impact safety. One right wing commentator said “If I see a Black pilot, I'm gonna be like 'boy, I hope he is qualified,'"

It’s got nothing to do with fair workplace hiring, and it’s sure as shit got nothing to do with stopping plane crashes. It’s just an excuse for people to insist that it’s only ever white guys who are good enough to do the job, and anyone else who gets to the top must have cheated their way there.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,591
Grendel said:
He described a child rape apologist as a brilliant man and refuses to this day to condemn the Welby creature
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Fuck off
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,592
Sky Blue Pete said:
And the racist stuff
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It's not about racism is it, it is about not appointing by merit.

There are valid arguments for some positive discrimination but when it impacts safety is it an entirely good thing.

It will be interesting to see if this particular tragedy was caused by incompetence, I suspect it is too early to say.

Time will tell (maybe).
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,593
Sky Blue Pete said:
Fuck off
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great response
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,594
Captain Dart said:
There are valid arguments for some positive discrimination but when it impacts safety is it an entirely good thing.
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Is there any actual evidence that people in minority groups are flying planes, running ATC etc without the appropriate training and qualifications?
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,595
chiefdave said:
Is there any actual evidence that people in minority groups are flying planes, running ATC etc without the appropriate training and qualifications?
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none has been offered, but Trump said it so all the simple people and idiots are now running with it like it’s absolute proven fact.
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,596
CovValleyBoy said:
I'm sure I heard/read that the NHS recently had 50,000 employees off sick.
Can't be correct surely??
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Sounds like an underestimate. If there are 5% of it's 1.4 million employees on sick leave then that's 65,000 isn't it.

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/nhs-sickness-absence-rates/january-2024

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/nhs-workforce-statistics/september-2024
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,597
CovValleyBoy said:
I'm sure I heard/read that the NHS recently had 50,000 employees off sick.
Can't be correct surely??
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There are 1,500,000 people employed by the NHS, so that would be 3.3%, which is close to public sector average, private sector being 2.6%.
Public sector sickness rates are generally higher than private sector rates due to a combination of factors including:
  • Job nature:
    Many public sector roles, particularly in healthcare and social services, can be physically and emotionally demanding, leading to higher sickness rates compared to certain private sector jobs.

  • Sick leave policies:
    Public sector employees often have more generous sick leave policies with better pay protection, potentially encouraging more reporting of illness.

  • Work culture:
    Some argue that the public sector may have a slightly more relaxed approach to reporting sickness due to perceived job security, which could contribute to higher absence rates. This not my experience as someone who worked in the NHS for a very long time, including 30 years as a senior manager. Sickness rates were a performance target with the aim of it being managed downwards with clear trigger standards set for individuals to have capacity reviews with a panel of senior managers, professionals and what we used to call HR but these days seem to have adopted titles like talent management or “People”. People what?

  • Mental health concerns:
    Studies suggest public sector workers might be more likely to take sick days related to mental health issues due to workplace pressures.
Having been in hospital recently, I have to say that quite a lot of the ward staff were unwell with flu like symptoms and in my view should not have been at work, so to think that this is chronic unjustified absenteeism is far from the truth. Ward staff do not have the option to work from home if they have a sniffle. What these nurses were showing was presenteeism which isn’t always helpful in the NHS.
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,598
chiefdave said:
Is there any actual evidence that people in minority groups are flying planes, running ATC etc without the appropriate training and qualifications?
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I asked that question, only you fail to comprehend.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,599
Sky Blue Pete said:
And the racist stuff
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I see positive discrimination on the basis of ethnicity as being, in itself, racist. Denying anyone a job on the basis of age is ageist, or using sex (gender) is sexist.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,600
Like Grendel he’s fuckin mad
No compassion or empathy but blaming air traffic control individuals who weren’t competent because they were employed because they were disabled or black
Just like grendel he thinks he’s on a winner so repeats the point

And on child abuse victims grendel I have on numerous occasions called on justin welby on inaction and unlike you been involved in having to deal with the consequences of these very close to home

We can either piss in the wind or get our hands dirty and try and be part of the solution

Like trump you just repeat the same shit so fuck off
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,601
Captain Dart said:
It's not about racism is it, it is about not appointing by merit.

There are valid arguments for some positive discrimination but when it impacts safety is it an entirely good thing.

It will be interesting to see if this particular tragedy was caused by incompetence, I suspect it is too early to say.

Time will tell (maybe).
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Sbt has shown some of the comments about black people and you ignore it ok
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,602
Captain Dart said:
Sounds like an underestimate. If there are 5% of it's 1.4 million employees on sick leave then that's 65,000 isn't it.

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/nhs-sickness-absence-rates/january-2024

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/nhs-workforce-statistics/september-2024
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Wonder why people who work in hospitals might get sick
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,603
Trump has now - explicitly - blamed his predecessors in the Biden administration - particularly former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg - for allegedly hiring people with disabilities and psychological issues for air traffic controller positions.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,604
Sky Blue Pete said:
Like Grendel he’s fuckin mad
No compassion or empathy but blaming air traffic control individuals who weren’t competent because they were employed because they were disabled or black
Just like grendel he thinks he’s on a winner so repeats the point

And on child abuse victims grendel I have on numerous occasions called on justin welby on inaction and unlike you been involved in having to deal with the consequences of these very close to home

We can either piss in the wind or get our hands dirty and try and be part of the solution

Like trump you just repeat the same shit so fuck off
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you’re giving him what he craves. He’s just a common troll and you don’t feed the trolls.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,605
Duffy says that "when we deal with safety, we can only accept the best and the brightest" in jobs that affected people's lives.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,606
shmmeee said:
you’re giving him what he craves. He’s just a common troll and you don’t feed the trolls.
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I’m sorry it’s a little close to home
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,607
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m sorry it’s a little close to home
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That’s why he chose it
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,608
In response, Trump says: "There are things you have to go by brain power and psychological quality."

He says his administration has the highest standards, and claims the standards under the previous government were "the opposite".

He says there will be an investigation, but for air controllers, "we want the brightest, smartest, sharpest, psychologically superior" people.

How utterly crass

minutes silence then says it’s unhinged disabled people only employed to fit a quota
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,609
And people lap this shit up


A reporter puts it to Trump that he has said a couple of things during today's press briefing, including that he wasn't sure the air traffic controllers made any mistakes and suggested the helicopter pilots did.

Trump acknowledges the remark but adds "it's all under investigation".

The reporter then asks the president how he can claim at this moment that diversity hiring policies had something to do with this crash.

"Because I have common sense, and unfortunately a lot of people don't," Trump says.
 

Ring Of Steel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #8,610
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m sorry it’s a little close to home
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he knows that, that’s why he does it.
 
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