They haven’t bought it in yet. I would be besides myself with laughter if they do bring it in and the new electorate support reform.Backfired though as they all want to vote for reform
In the same way giving votes to 16 year olds isn’t cheating but is clearly being looked at for political advantage
As a general principle, we should be making it easier to vote, not harder.In the same way giving votes to 16 year olds isn’t cheating but is clearly being looked at for political advantage
When the stupid ones say the quiet part out loud like he did thereThat’s his opinion. When did you start believing everything Tory toff’s say?
It’s a voter suppression tactic, nothing else.The overarching aim of having ID is to prevent rule breaking. Eg, a passport for travel, a driving licence to make sure that the person driving can actually drive / isn’t banned (for breaking rules), other ID to buy alcohol, fireworks or even paracetamol.
Here is the debate water cannon:
To claim benefits, you will require a bank account - which requires ID. It may be that in super exceptional circumstances benefits can be claimed over a post office counter, requiring ID.
THIS IS THE SAME IN THE USA BTW
To say that voter ID discriminates against to poorest in society is for the birds and is akin to saying poor people are stupid.
There is no sane argument that I’ve heard to justify voting without ID.
It is of course a pure coincidence that the Democrats won every state without voter ID (it is genuinely a coincidence but it will be at least interesting to see what happens if voter ID is brought in. Will the numbers change? It might shut up the conspiracy theorists, equally, it might encourage some people to vote who previously thought it a waste of time. )
Explain to me why people shouldn’t be automatically registered to vote when they turn 18.TBH I’m personally all for ID cards, to be used when accessing the NHS, voting, etc. I don’t get what the objection has been, no one objects to the concept of having a driver licence, bus pass, passport or library card. Everything could be rolled on to one smart card.
Explain to me why we shouldn’t have ID cards to access public services to show we are entitled to them.Explain to me why people shouldn’t be automatically registered to vote when they turn 18.
Because it may dissuade people who are entitled to basic services and rights from making use of them.Explain to me why we shouldn’t have ID cards to access public services to show we are entitled to them.
Such as….?Because it may dissuade people who are entitled to basic services and rights from making use of them.
If the number of people incorrectly dissuaded is greater than the number of people correctly prevented from using them, you have to question the wisdom of such a scheme.
Who is going to be dissuaded from using NHS services to which they are entitled, for example?Because it may dissuade people who are entitled to basic services and rights from making use of them.
If the number of people incorrectly dissuaded is greater than the number of people correctly prevented from using them, you have to question the wisdom of such a scheme.
They tested an ID scheme out in Peterborough a few years ago and found that some NHS-eligible patients would likely struggle to get the necessary ID: NHS ID scheme could deter eligible patients, say MPsWho is going to be dissuaded from using NHS services to which they are entitled, for example?
Some health tourists cost a fortune, for example women with complicated pregnancies who have been advised to come here from overseas. Soon run up a fortune in bills in a London hospital and then leave without paying.
Loads of people are entitled to things which they don’t automatically get by just turning up and saying, for example, I would like some pension credit, please. The government already has all the financial information required to enable payment of that automatically.
Im not dissuaded from using free bus travel because I have to show a form of ID to prove entitlement, I.e. a bus pass. When I lived in France, I had to show my carte vitale if I needed healthcare. It wouldn’t have dissuaded me from accessing a health service there if I had needed it.
Perhaps if they had actually piloted a proper ID card scheme the outcome may have been entirely different. What they did sounds like the proverbial dog’s breakfast of a scheme. I know I have a card with my NHS number on it somewhere, that could quite easily be developed in to a suitable entitlement card. FFS we all carry store loyalty cards around with us, why not an ID or NHS card?They tested an ID scheme out in Peterborough a few years ago and found that some NHS-eligible patients would likely struggle to get the necessary ID: NHS ID scheme could deter eligible patients, say MPs
Didn't have you down as a Francophile turbo-bureaucrat, but vive la differencePerhaps if they had actually piloted a proper ID card scheme the outcome may have been entirely different. What they did sounds like the proverbial dog’s breakfast of a scheme.
Not necessarily a Francophile, we have been back in the UK since 2016 (pre referendum).Didn't have you down as a Francophile turbo-bureaucrat, but vive la difference
I’ve got one and don’t see the issue; I’ve also got a card to access anything healthcare related.TBH I’m personally all for ID cards, to be used when accessing the NHS, voting, etc. I don’t get what the objection has been, no one objects to the concept of having a driver licence, bus pass, passport or library card. Everything could be rolled on to one smart card.
We are all given a number at 16 which records all our details until we die.I’ve got one and don’t see the issue; I’ve also got a card to access anything healthcare related.
lose aura.
Instances of voter fraud in the US or here occur at a minuscule rate that does not justify voter ID laws. In the US they are the preserve of Republican states trying to suppress the votes of groups likely to vote Democrat. In one notorious example Texan attorney general Ken Paxton openly bragged about rejecting huge numbers of postal ballots in 2020 in order to secure the state for Trump.
The Conservatives passed ID laws here and even admitted that gerrymandering was the thinking behind it.
If I were 12 I’d be calling you a “liberal”, which is, ironically a huge insult amongst kids today.I didn’t realise you were 12, TBF gives me a whole new perspective.
If I were 12 I’d be calling you a “liberal”, which is, ironically a huge insult amongst kids today.
I wasn't denying the truth of the moon landings, I was just wondering how they found sufficient intelligent life forms in the USA to actually pull it off, given the level of thickness they seem to demonstrate every election.If Trump pardons himself then he will lose aura. Not sure his ego will allow him that. Let’s see. In the meantime it’s irrelevant conjecture to obfuscate clear Democrat dishonesty. That’s that.
WRT getting to the moon, the US beat the USSR using technology and flight log data they’ve since lost, and returned via a lander made from incredible looking advanced materials. There are mirrors planted on the moon before they went that proved they went (in America)there. Some idiots believe that the USA didn’t go. Those people are morons for even questioning it.
Of course they got a man on the moon.
WRT to Hunter Biden’s laptop, it was all false information, 51 intelligence officials signed a letter.
The US government always tells the truth.
I wasn't denying the truth of the moon landings, I was just wondering how they found sufficient intelligent life forms in the USA to actually pull it off, given the level of thickness they seem to demonstrate every election.
Well our lot didn't make a bad job of it either in the summerI wasn't denying the truth of the moon landings, I was just wondering how they found sufficient intelligent life forms in the USA to actually pull it off, given the level of thickness they seem to demonstrate every election.
It’s still the home of NASA and MIT to be fair.I wasn't denying the truth of the moon landings, I was just wondering how they found sufficient intelligent life forms in the USA to actually pull it off, given the level of thickness they seem to demonstrate every election.
same here. Id card, healthcard, address card , residency etc. Plus a govt id that enables me to a host of official things online rather than attending/queueing in person. Also had to give biometric fingerprints. I do have to carry some kind of offical id with a picture on it. Think nearly all of these document are compulsory across EU.I’ve got one and don’t see the issue; I’ve also got a card to access anything healthcare related.
same here. Id card, healthcard, address card , residency etc. Plus a govt id that enables me to a host of official things online rather than attending/queueing in person. Also had to give biometric fingerprints. I do have to carry some kind of offical id with a picture on it. Think nearly all of these document are compulsory across EU.
Don't get the resistance to id cards etc.
Stop the boats!
Beat me to it you rouge!Stop the boats. Send them back.
If you looked carefully I said 'cheat'.Looking for the cheat bit. Looking hard. Nope.
Gain an advantage using legal means is not cheating.
You know, like choosing which end to kick off from if the sun is low when winning the toss. Is that cheating?
Try again, please stop me thinking you are absolutely absurd….
Please…
The CHEATING bit….? (waiting)
If you looked carefully I said 'cheat'.
It was deliberately put forward to suppress voting in those less likely to vote Tory, under a pretense that it was solving a big issue in voter fraud which was in reality virtually non existent. This is what was being referred to when JRM was mentioned. It may have stopped a handful of voter fraud incidences, but if that stops thousands, or more likely tens of thousands, from voting legitimately then it's a bad policy.
So it was 'cheating' in that the reasons being put forward for it were dishonest and has ulterior motives.
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