Hang on a minute. Am I supposed to believe that the Democrats rigged an election when Trump was President, but didn’t rig it when Biden was?Great post.
I'm also looking forward to the explanation of the 11m shortfall.
Let’s do some simple maths. Joe Biden got 7 million more votes than Trump. Trump will get about 4 million more than Harris.Trump’s plan might put the prices of some things up, as “economists” are saying. However, the tariff income will aid the economy in terms of money to their treasury / allow equal value tax cuts.
He won the popular vote this time despite his rivals throwing everything they could into stopping him.
Trump waffles a load of tripe sometimes but he’s got Musk in his team (smart guy and only a fool would disagree) and JD Vance has something about him.
IMO the democrats were / are corrupt (HB Laptop, 10% for the big guy, 51 intelligence agents, lawfare, Hillary emails etc.)
I’m still baffled why 11 million or so (when the final numbers come in, or 15% or so) LESS democrat voters turned out for Harris (70m) as did for Biden (81m). I’m sure there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation.
US voters have spoken. They’ve gone for Trump. That’s that.
They are still counting in California and the other western seaboard states (unsure why). About another 7 million votes to tally that’ll probably break 4/5m Harris 2/3m Trump.Let’s do some simple maths. Joe Biden got 7 million more votes than Trump. Trump will get about 4 million more than Harris.
It’s an 11 million vote swing. Go on, say what you actually think happened
Yes, so the answer to your question is that there’s an 11 million vote swing from 2020 Biden to 2024 Trump.They are still counting in California and the other western seaboard states (unsure why). About another 7 million votes to tally that’ll probably break 4/5m Harris 2/3m Trump.
It’s (source BBC) about 68m Harris and 73m Trump atm so will end up 72/73m Harris and 76m to Trump.
Let’s do some simple maths. Joe Biden got 7 million more votes than Trump. Trump will get about 4 million more than Harris.
It’s an 11 million vote swing. Go on, say what you actually think happened
What is missing in all of this is that Joe Biden beat him by 7 million votes last time. Biden is not charismatic, barely coherent even then and couldn’t even campaign much. Yet he won.that election was not about policies, it was about ideology, MAGA, ‘patriotism’, and Trump the personality. He could have said anything he wanted and he’d still have won. Policies were of very little relevance, what we see is people pretending he had a great set of polices when in reality loads of people- sadly- identify with what he stands for and what he embodies.
What is missing in all of this is that Joe Biden beat him by 7 million votes last time. Biden is not charismatic, barely coherent even then and couldn’t even campaign much. Yet he won.
So is the answer in fact to pick a white man?
What is missing in all of this is that Joe Biden beat him by 7 million votes last time. Biden is not charismatic, barely coherent even then and couldn’t even campaign much. Yet he won.
So is the answer in fact to pick a white man?
Once in a blue moon he was. Funny also that the Democrats didn’t rig it to stop Trump when he was President either.Or a super charismatic black man.
Once in a blue moon he was. Funny also that the Democrats didn’t rig it to stop Trump when he was President either.
The US is morphing into a dictatorship now, so we’re in uncharted territory on all of this.He’s a very pre 2012 politician as well, I don’t think he’d survive social media. Birthers and the Tea Party were basically a joke.
I think the bare minimum is an explicit nativist position everywhere across the west. What that means for world peace long term who knows.
Hundreds of billions of poundsBBC News - How would Trump’s promise of mass deportations of migrants work? - BBC News
How would Trump’s promise of mass deportations of migrants work?
The mass deportation of undocumented immigrants would face legal and practical challenges - and cost billions.www.bbc.co.uk
Seems it's wrought with problems.
Be very interesting to see how Trump thinks he can do it.
Plus, the figure seems to be 11 million, but Trump says he will deport up to 21 million.
That will be interesting too.
"You once gave a lift to an illegal immigrant, so you're going too?"
Trump is a billionaire and very much part of ‘the system’ and the elite ffs.That could well be just scare mongering. The whole system is shit scared that Trump is going to upset their cosy little applecart.
They've tried to silence him, then cancel him, then imprison him and even tried to kill him. They really where going to stop at nothing to stop him getting into the white house.
One things for sure, it's going to be interesting to see what he does, and how things work out.
‘They’ tried to kill him. ‘They’ being a registered Republican and a former Trump voter.Trump is a billionaire and very much part of ‘the system’ and the elite ffs.
That's what 'they' want you to think, don't you get it?!‘They’ tried to kill him. ‘They’ being a registered Republican and a former Trump voter.
I mean I just straight up disagree with this and that’s pretty much all there is to it. To say you think Trump was genuinely the better candidate does astonish me coming from you though.
Brighton you are very invested in the USA election & clearly disturbed by Trump romping home.Do tell fatso
I have indeed, my grandad lived in Fort Lauderdale for many years and had an American wife.Brighton you are very invested in the USA election & clearly disturbed by Trump romping home.
I would like to ask have you visited the USA ? What are your direct experiences of North America?
The US is morphing into a dictatorship now, so we’re in uncharted territory on all of this.
I'll have to take that as a "NO" then.I have indeed, my grandad lived in Fort Lauderdale for many years and had an American wife.
As for this election I think it’s a critical point in history as for the first time a fascist has been made president but with none of the traditional checks and balances. So it’s significant beyond the US.
Going to Florida to see my grandad multiple times is not visiting the US? OKI'll have to take that as a "NO" then.
They are still counting in California and the other western seaboard states (unsure why). About another 7 million votes to tally that’ll probably break 4/5m Harris 2/3m Trump.
It’s (source BBC) about 68m Harris and 73m Trump atm so will end up 72/73m Harris and 75/76m to Trump.
I can’t see the”simple maths” switch.
However, I’m big enough to concede the following:
Wiki is currently saying 87% votes tallied in total, which is different to BBC. The final figures may yet differ. Total turnout v electorate must also be considered.
It’ll be interesting to compare states where voter ID is required v not required. It looks like the Dems won every state where ID is not required. It’ll be interesting in 4 years to look at these things if the GOP pass some kind of federal laws about voter ID.
Turning to the attempt of “tin-foil-hat” goading, I’m not going to suggest 11m fake ballots in 2020. The sudden late spike in Dem votes looked odd, but there may have been a good reason - let’s see.
It’ll be interesting to compare results and figures and data when the final tally is agreed.
JD Vance (future VP) was very eloquent in his explanation wrt the HB laptop story. Worth watching with an open mind.
This whole thread is batshit crazyAre you sure that your mind isn't so open that your brain has fallen out?
You've got one person on record as asking an electoral official to find thousands more votes in Georgia, when he lost.
And you've got another on record asking Americans to accept the result of the election when they lost.
And you're accusing the latter of election interference based on literally no evidence.
I'm sorry, but that's tin foil hat territory.
I can see by the inverted commas elsewhere that you don't trust "economists". Are you ok with "scientists" (say, on climate change) or "doctors" (say, on injecting bleach)?
Going to Florida to see my grandad multiple times is not visiting the US? OK
I'll have to take that as a "NO" then.
We’ve been invited to Seattle next year to stay with some American friends of ours from university. I’ll have to remember to get signed proof from them that we went.It’s a magical land you cannot know. No one knows any Americans that’s a lie they only speak to other Americans. No one has been there, they just Truman Show it on a set in a parking lot in Bethnall Green.
I have a confession to make. I have been to Russia, but never to Ukraine, so I think I need to stop talking about the war over there.We’ve been invited to Seattle next year to stay with some American friends of ours from university. I’ll have to remember to get signed proof from them that we went.
RFK goes wild on healthcareI have a confession to make. I have been to Russia, but never to Ukraine, so I think I need to stop talking about the war over there.
Donald Trump is a…brilliant man with many intelligent, well thought out ideas. He will singularly ensure the financial security of the US for years to come. Oh and his personal hygiene is above reproach
This whole thread is batshit crazy
Good to see some sense remains in Earlsdon.Brighton, you've gone full Ned Flanders. For your own sanity I honestly think some time in the fresh air could be helpful. Some of the others on here that are making this thread batshit (Emily Maitlis reference) also could do with the same - and it isn't those who you think it is acting mental!
I’ve said already this election is the one that alongside a few others is leading me to check out of interest in politics in the UK and elsewhere. A bit of cathartic venting is about all that remains to be done.Brighton, you've gone full Ned Flanders. For your own sanity I honestly think some time in the fresh air could be helpful. Some of the others on here that are making this thread batshit (Emily Maitlis reference) also could do with the same - and it isn't those who you think it is acting mental!
Off you TrotI’ve said already this election is the one that alongside a few others is leading me to check out of interest in politics in the UK and elsewhere. A bit of cathartic venting is about all that remains to be done.
Enjoy the circle jerkOff you Trot
What American valley are you in?Off you Trot
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