David O'Day
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He got the team news right once, loads of people now the team before kick off. It's not the same as being in the know about financial and transfer matter at the club
He's not "ITK"
He got the team news right once, loads of people now the team before kick off. It's not the same as being in the know about financial and transfer matter at the clubHe got team news right a few times last season, I think it was that Walker was starting vs Norwich and there was an illness outbreak before Blackpool off the top of my head. Also knew the first three fixtures this season and some other stuff about signings last summer too I think.
Also got some stuff wrong too about Wasps not leaving and some other stuff with the King deal in Jan but I can’t remember specifics.
To maybe run it like a business that doesn’t automatically load the club with debt?
SISU managed to be modest (ish) in their transfer outlay and we got to within one penalty from promotion the Premier League.
Btw not saying we don’t need players but all this bullshit about missing transfer targets, small budgets and holding out for bigger transfer fees etc is just agenda bollocks.
There’s been 15 transfers in the whole of the EFL since 1st July.
No way we ain’t getting upgrades to Dabo, Rose, Kane, Waghorn and Walker.
These things take time!
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I think a moot point though. We’ll accelerate past most teams in terms of signings in the coming weeks. But until this week, not much has happened anywhere.What we have to factor in though is not all of those teams will have got as many first team players off the wage bill like we have this summer.
Yes some of them might not had that much activity but they aren’t in the position we are where we don’t have hardly any players
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So buying players automatically loads the club with debt?
What model other than spunking millions on players or relying on Robins conintuing to be a magic miracle worker again will actually help us get to the Premier League?
Feels like selling Vik is our first shot at starting that process, assuming we choose to pursue it.The Brentford and Brighton model.
Find value in transfer market-buy low sell high and gradually build up your squad so that it becomes better over time.
Have to reinvest into squad though.
Otherwise spunk millions on transfers and fall foul of FFP.
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If we can spend a million or so on several promising players and a few of them turn out like Hamer/Vic/Sheaf we’d set ourselves up nicely.Feels like selling Vik is our first shot at starting that process, assuming we consciously choose to pursue it. Have to own more players, though. We'd have to stop being so reliant on loans.
Feels like selling Vik is our first shot at starting that process, assuming we consciously choose to pursue it. Have to own more players, though. We'd have to stop being so reliant on loans.
We had half a team on loan by the end of last season incl. 80% of our CBs and WBs.Every team in the Championship has some reliance on loans, including the cash rich clubs with parachute payments.
If we get the same outcome then why does it have to stop? That said I would be happier with our own players of a similar standard.We had half a team on loan by the end of last season incl. 80% of our CBs and WBs. That's what needs to stop. Less reliance. One in each part of the pitch is fine but we need our own core.
I think the issue with 5 is that you start each season with half a team to replace … you are not building any solid foundations. 2 to 3 top quality loans should be our limit really if we want to improve the quality of the assets we own.If we get the same outcome then why does it have to stop? That said I would be happier with our own players of a similar standard.
I’d sooner secure the right targets late than the wrong targets early.
the former gives you a short term integration problem, the latter a multiples seasons long problem
stay patient
Every team in the Championship has some reliance on loans, including the cash rich clubs with parachute payments.
Risk.If we get the same outcome then why does it have to stop? That said I would be happier with our own players of a similar standard.
Agree. We could easily go out and sign a dozen bang average players so we have the "numbers". But then we would all be complaining about the severe lack of quality.I’d sooner secure the right targets late than the wrong targets early.
the former gives you a short term integration problem, the latter a multiples seasons long problem
stay patient
Agree. We could easily go out and sign a dozen bang average players so we have the "numbers". But then we would all be complaining about the severe lack of quality.
In an ideal world we want both but that takes time and I'd imagine that the players we think can take us that next step will be sought after by other clubs which then naturally makes some deals take longer.
And as last season showed, the Championship is a long season. And so long ad we get the best quality players we can in, I don't mind waiting because we have a fantastic manager who has shown that when he gets us up to speed we can compete with anybody in this league.
We had half a team on loan by the end of last season incl. 80% of our CBs and WBs. That's what needs to stop. Less reliance. One in each part of the pitch is fine but we need our own core.
We haven't made a sale that allows us to re-invest in the first XI for a long time.If we get the same outcome then why does it have to stop? That said I would be happier with our own players of a similar standard.
I'm talking about the idea that we'd aim for a Brentford-type model i.e. buy low, sell high, reinvest.We have to stop what? Fielding a team which comes within 1 kick of being promoted to the Premier League?
Just because it worked last season doesn’t mean it’s a sustainable way of doing things if we have serious ambitions of going up.We have to stop what? Fielding a team which comes within 1 kick of being promoted to the Premier League?
we can't really go into every season having to replace large parts of the team each year.We have to stop what? Fielding a team which comes within 1 kick of being promoted to the Premier League?
Needs must without a rich benefactor or significant influx of fundswe can't really go into every season having to replace large parts of the team each year.
I'm talking about the idea that we'd aim for a Brentford-type model i.e. buy low, sell high, reinvest.
I don't see that working if we have 1 or 2 stars of our own and fill a chunk of the first XI with loans.
Just because it worked last season doesn’t mean it’s a sustainable way of doing things if we have serious ambitions of going up.
we can't really go into every season having to replace large parts of the team each year.
The Brentford and Brighton model.
Find value in transfer market-buy low sell high and gradually build up your squad so that it becomes better over time.
Have to reinvest into squad though.
Otherwise spunk millions on transfers and fall foul of FFP.
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Everyone making signings but us, getting funny now, more time passes less time we have to intergrate new players into our system.
no we look at what we can do to have to have 4 or 5 loans in the teamWhat's the alternative? If we build a team capable of challenging for promotion without loans, many will be sold at seasons end, or demand unsustainable wages. Hence, replacement of large parts of the team.
no we look at what we can do to have to have 4 or 5 loans in the team
Having our own players which we then sell on for a profit so we can continue to strengthen is a much better alternative to gambling on loans every year that make us nothing financially, yes.What's the alternative? If we build a team capable of challenging for promotion without loans, many will be sold at seasons end, or demand unsustainable wages. Hence, replacement of large parts of the team.
not to have 4 or 5 loans a seasonTBF, I can't argue with that, because I have no idea what you're saying grammatically.
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