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Tories plan to raise retirement age to 75 (1 Viewer)

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Sky_Blue_Daz

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #1
I work as a carer I’m gonna need to someone to look after me at work
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #2
Sky_Blue_Daz said:
I work as a carer I’m gonna need to someone to look after me at work
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You’d think that the Brexit boom would mean they could reduce it if anything.

No doubt the cap doffers will vote for it as well.
 
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Otis

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #3
The powers that be seem to want us to not have happy retirements don't they.

People are living longer, but at 75 you are much more likely to have health issues that curtail a lot of things you could maybe doing at 65.

I know I have arthritis in my fingers and knees. Not too bad now, but I hate to think how bad it might be by the time I get to 75.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #4
Otis said:
The powers that be seem to want us to not have happy retirements don't they.

People are living longer, but at 75 you are much more likely to have health issues that curtail a lot of things you could maybe doing at 65.

I know I have arthritis in my fingers and knees. Not too bad now, but I hate to think how bad it might be by the time I get to 75.
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It's already onerous to a construction worker, there has to be some leeway between careers involving physical heavy work and those those that are sedentary for example.
It can't and shouldn't be imposed on a crude measure of age only.
All my joints are shot at 62
Osteoporosis arthritis in wrists knuckles knees and ankles. Probably declining from around age 50.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #5
wingy said:
It's already onerous to a construction worker, there has to be some leeway between careers involving physical heavy work and those those that are sedentary for example.
It can't and shouldn't be imposed on a crude measure of age only.
All my joints are shot at 62
Osteoporosis arthritis in wrists knuckles knees and ankles. Probably declining from around age 50.
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Do you think they seriously give a fuck? Ironically it's older voters who back the Tories, turkeys voting for Christmas.

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Sick Boy

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #6
Have a read of Britain Unchained, 4 of the 5 authors are now in Johnson’s cabinet.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #7
Don't worry, by the time they've dismantled the NHS and relaxed food standards so the Yanks can flood us with their shite none of is will live that long anyway
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #8
Just to add
Probably averaged 55 hours a week minimum between the age of 25 to now.
Just saying.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #9
wingy said:
Just to add
Probably averaged 55 hours a week minimum between the age of 25 to now.
Just saying.
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Come on mate, it’s people like you that have led to this happening. You should be grateful you’re even being allowed a pension.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #10
Sky_Blue_Daz said:
I work as a carer I’m gonna need to someone to look after me at work
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Interesting they normally concentrate on screwing the younger in society but this marks a change to screw the elderly as well. Also unsurprising that the recommendation came from an Iain Duncan-Smith think tank.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #11
If we all use the magical power of positive thinking we’ll have the pension aged reduced to 55 in no time, if we’re extra positive we’ll all be on final salary pensions too. If you’re negative it won’t happen and you’ll only have yourselves to blame. Fact.
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #12
Thankyou sir, tugs forelock
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #13
Johnnythespider said:
Thankyou sir, tugs forelock
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We’re really lucky. Master Rees-Mogg has been promising us all shoes on our feet. Shoes on our feet! In 2019? Imagine. We’ve never had it so good. What a fantastic time to be a pleb.
 

Marty

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #14
Maybe alright for office workers but for those of us who do physical work, there's absolutely no chance. Plenty where I work who's bodies are already breaking down in their 30s (me included).
 

stupot07

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #15
Life expectancy is increasing, the elderly cost the government more money. This smacks of the tories wanting to lower life expectancy. With the added physical mental stress more people will die whilst still working age.

What a bunch of c***ts.

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Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #16
I'm 66. Retired years ago (health reasons). Does this mean I'll have to go back to work? :emoji_smile: :emoji_smile: :emoji_thinking: :emoji_thinking: :banghead:
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #17
No one can survive in a state pension which is all this is so I’m not sure on the discussion point
 

Ian1779

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #18
Can’t believe anyone would seriously vote for the nasty bastards.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #19
Grendel said:
No one can survive in a state pension which is all this is so I’m not sure on the discussion point
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Plenty of people have no option, they have to.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #20
clint van damme said:
Plenty of people have no option, they have to.
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People can take personal pensions? They’d be a cut off so plenty older would be able to claim at the age now and there little excuse for anyone under 35 now to save. What is a state pension worth?
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #21
Grendel said:
People can take personal pensions? They’d be a cut off so plenty older would be able to claim at the age now and there little excuse for anyone under 35 now to save. What is a state pension worth?
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Think it's about 600 quid a month for a couple.
Some people simply don't have enough to make adequate provisions.
With people living longer I understand the need to raise retirement age but 75 is a piss take.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #22
Grendel said:
People can take personal pensions? They’d be a cut off so plenty older would be able to claim at the age now and there little excuse for anyone under 35 now to save. What is a state pension worth?
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Significant numbers of people earn barely enough for here and now, 7m people are paid so poorly that they're entitled to tax credit. Where is the pension contribution coming from?

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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #23
75 is ok for an mp with all the time off etc but in the real world it doesn’t work.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #24
fernandopartridge said:
Significant numbers of people earn barely enough for here and now, 7m people are paid so poorly that they're entitled to tax credit. Where is the pension contribution coming from?

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The strange thing is the countries in Europe that have the highest happiness ratings also have the highest retirement age - those in Scandinavia

This is not even a policy of course but a story in certain newspapers based off a think tank. It’s also worth noting several Eu countries are reviewing this post 2020 due to line expectancy

The issue of course again is the same as the NHS free for all statement. Do I need the state pension? No. Will I claim it? Yes

The fact the likes of say Richard Branson could claim if domiciled here is absurd
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #25
Grendel said:
The strange thing is the countries in Europe that have the highest happiness ratings also have the highest retirement age - those in Scandinavia

This is not even a policy of course but a story in certain newspapers based off a think tank. It’s also worth noting several Eu countries are reviewing this post 2020 due to line expectancy

The issue of course again is the same as the NHS free for all statement. Do I need the state pension? No. Will I claim it? Yes

The fact the likes of say Richard Branson could claim if domiciled here is absurd
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Scandinavian countries tend to have flexible pension ages not highest. State pension kicks in in Sweden at 65, Denmark 67 and Norway 67. Also the reason that they’re happy is not related to retirement age it’s related to a good work life balance and decent national health care. Easier to work later when your standard of life is better.

Denmark has the best work-life balance. Here’s why

Work life balance
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #26
skybluetony176 said:
Scandinavian countries tend to have flexible pension ages not highest. State pension kicks in in Sweden at 65, Denmark 67 and Norway 67. Also the reason that they’re happy is not related to retirement age it’s related to a good work life balance and decent national health care. Easier to work later when your standard of life is better.

Denmark has the best work-life balance. Here’s why

Work life balance
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Which is ironic isn’t it when many use these countries as examples of why prison sentences are shorter and this is presented back as an argument against longer sentences in this country - which is why I made the point

Norway has a link to life expectancy and several other countries around Europe are reviewing and many are expecting to raise the age
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #27
Grendel said:
Which is ironic isn’t it when many use these countries as examples of why prison sentences are shorter and this is presented back as an argument against longer sentences in this country - which is why I made the point

Norway has a link to life expectancy and several other countries around Europe are reviewing and many are expecting to raise the age
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Prison sentences are shorter in Scandinavia as the emphasis is on rehabilitation not punishment, they then exit prison into a better welfare system than we do so transition back into functioning members of society is much higher and reoffending rates are much lower.

Still not sure what prison sentences in Scandinavian countries has to do with raising the pension age in the UK thought. Clearly you need some houses to go round.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #28
skybluetony176 said:
Prison sentences are shorter in Scandinavia as the emphasis is on rehabilitation not punishment, they then exit prison into a better welfare system than we do so transition back into functioning members of society is much higher and reoffending rates are much lower.

Still not sure what prison sentences in Scandinavian countries has to do with raising the pension age in the UK thought. Clearly you need some houses to go round.
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Oh dear. It’s do to with the fact these countries have different social and population demographics
 

skybluetony176

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #29
Grendel said:
Oh dear. It’s do to with the fact these countries have different social and population demographics
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As I’ve pointed out to you so I’m not sure why you’re telling me oh dear when you’re the one trying to make out that raising the pension age to 75 will be OK because the Scandinavian countries are the happiest countries in the world. There’s more behind that happiness than retirement age.
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #30
clint van damme said:
Think it's about 600 quid a month for a couple.
Some people simply don't have enough to make adequate provisions.
With people living longer I understand the need to raise retirement age but 75 is a piss take.
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£168.60 per week each for new pensioners
 
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PTA

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #31
Marty said:
Maybe alright for office workers but for those of us who do physical work, there's absolutely no chance. Plenty where I work who's bodies are already breaking down in their 30s (me included).
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Yep office workers who often earn more than physical workers anyway and can easily keep doing it longer.
 

dutchman

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  • Aug 18, 2019
  • #32
skybluesam66 said:
£168.60 per week each for new pensioners
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In theory yes. In practice most new pensioners receive less than that.The Department for Work and Pensions says the average weekly sum being paid to people eligible for the new State pension is £154.70. 37% of pensioners claiming under the new system are receiving less than £150 a week.

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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 19, 2019
  • #33
dutchman said:
In theory yes. In practice most new pensioners receive less than that.The Department for Work and Pensions says the average weekly sum being paid to people eligible for the new State pension is £154.70. 37% of pensioners claiming under the new system are receiving less than £150 a week.

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The amount you're entitled to depends on whether your company pension scheme opted you out of the State earnings-related pension scheme or not.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Aug 19, 2019
  • #34
The issue here is not just that they won't have to pay the state pension until later, but that there will be more people continuing to pay tax and NI into the coffers.
 
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  • Aug 19, 2019
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OffenhamSkyBlue said:
The issue here is not just that they won't have to pay the state pension until later, but that there will be more people continuing to pay tax and NI into the coffers.
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Assuming there are the jobs, and they'#re not just paying unemployment benefit instead.
 
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