Hobo
Well-Known Member
To quote you "have you any proof" it is a top six budget.
Several reasons but why say 8th when the quite apparently said it could be a top 6 budget?
Suits your agenda?
From this FT article about research into football: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/f340caae-47cd-11e1-b646-00144feabdc0.html
Thought it was relevant to the debate.
If you read the full article it basically says wage bill is by far the most important factor, but a great manager can have some effect. However there are very few great managers.
To quote you "have you any proof" it is a top six budget.
Ah, the chesterfield chairman, the "wise old man of the north" :facepalm:Didn't the Chesterfield Chairman say theirs was top 10 and ours was miles bigger than theirs?
Ah, the chesterfield chairman, the "wise old man of the north" :facepalm:
Ah, the chesterfield chairman, the "wise old man of the north" :facepalm:
No he said it to back SISU up, Nick told me.He lied then did he?
So no team has ever finished higher than their position on the table of budgets?
No I'm saying that you are expecting the manager to over achieve if you allocate a lower than top 6 budget and expect promotion.
I know it's all statistics but if you want top 6 at least start with a top 6 budget.
Didn't the Chesterfield Chairman say theirs was top 10 and ours was miles bigger than theirs?
There's far too much emphasis being put on the size of the budget,don't understand why peopleNo I'm saying that you are expecting the manager to over achieve if you allocate a lower than top 6 budget and expect promotion.
I know it's all statistics but if you want top 6 at least start with a top 6 budget.
Didn't the Chesterfield Chairman say theirs was top 10 and ours was miles bigger than theirs?
There's far too much emphasis being put on the size of the budget,don't understand why people
dont get it . It's not the size of the budget, it's where you start from.
If I was a melon salesman.
I have enough budget to buy 6 melons & I already have 5 melons = 11 melons .
My rival only has the budget to buy 4 melons but already has 8 = 12 melons
c'mon use your melons.
Well we know we have a miles bigger budget than a team with a top 10 budget so I guess we can put the argument it's 8th to bed now.
He lied then did he?
Well we know we have a miles bigger budget than a team with a top 10 budget so I guess we can put the argument it's 8th to bed now.
You're saying it's Ninth then. Fair enough.
Yeah but you don't pay.But if the melons have a shelf life and have to be replaced every 2 weeks then it matters.
If you already have quality players you still pay them out the same budget.
No I'm saying we have a budget miles bigger than a team WITHIN the top 10. So Chesterfield could have the 7th biggest couldn't they?
It's funny how you and Italia spring up in unison.
Oh and for the 100th time you could have the 8th 9th or 19th biggest budget but still spend more than many other teams with bigger budgets.
Out of interest in the championship do you think Rotherham have one of the biggest budgets Tony and Italia?
Do you think Rotherham have one of the biggest budgets in the championship?
What if the budget of the 3rd highest team is £1,000 more than ours?
Ask the Chesterfield chairman, he knows everything.No I'm saying we have a budget miles bigger than a team WITHIN the top 10. So Chesterfield could have the 7th biggest couldn't they?
It's funny how you and Italia spring up in unison.
Oh and for the 100th time you could have the 8th 9th or 19th biggest budget but still spend more than many other teams with bigger budgets.
Out of interest in the championship do you think Rotherham have one of the biggest budgets Tony and Italia?
Can you show me any post where I have made any claim?
Can you show me any post where I have made any claim?
Just googling to try a SW quote regarding this seasons budget and can't find one. The only links I can't find to him referencing a top 6 budget was with the sacking of SP when he was quoted as saying "Stephen Pressley failed to make the most of a top six budget".
When did he say we have a top 6 budget for this season?
SCG Minutes said:• Given CCFC’s current attendance, the player wage budget is circa £2m per annum
• Against the Football League’s benchmarking survey, this is believed to be upper quartile for League One
So basically OSB the actual playing budget could be above or below what's stated in the FL redacted document and also the reality is that the actual playing budget is not the same as the players wage budget so not only could our actual playing budget be lower than that stated in the FL document if things like routine maintenance of Ryton, sprucing up the team coach, setting up a scouting network from scratch and employing your backroom staff come out of it the players wage budget diminishes even more? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?
"if things like routine maintenance of Ryton, sprucing up the team coach, setting up a scouting network from scratch and employing your backroom staff come out of it"
Such things have nothing to do with the player SCMP budget tony. The calculation is specific to players
The direct costs deducted are say in merchandise sales you have the sale less the cost of sale (all net of VAT) and then 60% of the net income
But yes the SCMP budget in the redacted file is just a calculated figure not what is actually spent - at least that's my understanding. The figures put out by SW/TF were at the start of the season so had to be based on a seasons calculation not a seasons actual expenditure. Have we had revised figures recently - not to my knowledge
You have to ask though did the club exceed the calculation and therefore to avoid embargo had no option but to do a deal on Maddison to balance the books?
Certainly seems in addition to that there was a need in January 2016 to repay some short term finance provided by the owner too. That would imply they had overspent their income wouldn't - otherwise they wouldn't have needed the loan surely? Owner may have been happy to authorise the overspend but if not it isn't great budgetary control especially if crowds exceeded expectation
Do you actually understand what the term budget means?
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