Tony Mowbray fears throwing Coventry City kids in against 'big and strong' Sheffield (1 Viewer)

Otis · Apr 28, 2016

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...tony-mowbray-fears-throwing-coventry-11254741

How many big and strong teams are there in League One would you say? Surely a lot more big and strong ones than not isn't there?

I do realise we have to show some care, but at what point DO we play these players?

Can understand the case with Harries, because physicality in a centre back can be crucial, but Stevenson? Kelly-Evans? Has Phillips got much physicality about him at all? Lameiras? Maddison?

If these are kids for the future then I would say that now with nowt to play for certainly should mean they are at least considered.

Nick · Apr 28, 2016

Lameiras was great against them before

stupot07 · Apr 28, 2016

He didn't have a problem in playing 18 year olds Armstrong, Kent, maddison and Jones, and weak lamieres and murphy against tough league one sides this season. So the physical argument doesn't really stack up

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Nick · Apr 28, 2016

stupot07 said:
He didn't have a problem in playing 18 year olds Armstrong, Kent, maddison and Jones, and weak lamieres and murphy against tough league one sides this season. So the physical argument doesn't really stack up

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Maybe he has just realised?

robbieray · Apr 28, 2016

Give them a go

stupot07 · Apr 28, 2016

Nick said:
Maybe he has just realised?

Well if he has, the horse has well and truly bolted, just an excude so he can play hunt and probably fortune and bring Henderson back on the bench. Probably won't bother having tbe kids in the squad.

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skybluegod · Apr 28, 2016

He said he didn't mind one or two, but throwing them all in would be detrimental to the team, as he wants to give the fans a good performance in the last home game.

Both kelly Evans would be targeted massively they are about 5ft.
Harries would be ruined by sharp. No point in ruining the players mentally at this point.

Nick · Apr 28, 2016

skybluegod said:
as he wants to give the performers a good performance

We will struggle to get 5 players on the pitch if he is picking the team based on that

johnwillomagic · Apr 28, 2016

I sort of agree with him just based on Sheff Utds treatment of Lameiras at their place......personally would pitch loanees and players
you are not going to retain such as Hunt and Henderson ones you do not mind getting injured as will not be there next season.

Pitch the kids in last game against Oldham who will not be as physical and will be safe.

Team I think he will do with is as follows.....4-2-3-1 of course.

RCC
Phillips RB
Hunt LB
Stevens CB
Martin CB
Vincelot DCM
Fleck DCM
Cole ACM
Murphy ACM
Madders ACM
Armstrong ST

Subs: Addai, Lorentzon, Bigi, Lameiras, Rose, Tugguy, MAF

Think he will look to get some subs not retaining on for farewell swansong.....hope it's not
Tudguy would like him here next season....

Hobo · Apr 28, 2016

stupot07 said:
He didn't have a problem in playing 18 year olds Armstrong, Kent, maddison and Jones, and weak lamieres and murphy against tough league one sides this season. So the physical argument doesn't really stack up

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Perhaps he doesn't think the youngsters are at the same level as the 18 year olds you have mentioned?

dongonzalos · Apr 28, 2016

The problem is the lower he finishes in the table will be used as a stick to beat him with next season if he goes through any sticky patches.
I agree with giving the kids a chance.
However I have no doubt if it led to a lower finish
Next season people would not say we could have finished higher but we were giving kids experience.

Nick · Apr 28, 2016

dongonzalos said:
The problem is the lower he finishes in the table will be used as a stick to beat him with next season if he goes through any sticky patches.
I agree with giving the kids a chance.
However I have no doubt if it led to a lower finish
Next season people would not say we could have finished higher but we were giving kids experience.

Giving the kids experience would benefit us next season.

Swapping the team about to fit in our own players and kids beats swapping the team about to fit in loans and people who are off. Both end up with us losing

dongonzalos · Apr 28, 2016

Nick said:
Giving the kids experience would benefit us next season.

Swapping the team about to fit in our own players and kids beats swapping the team about to fit in loans and people who are off. Both end up with us losing

Do you think the team JWM suggested above or a team where we are giving all the kids experience has a better chance of winning
Like I say I agree but if it led to defeats in the remaining games I wouldn't use it against
I am not so sure about others who are requesting he does it

johnwillomagic · Apr 28, 2016

I would pitch the kids in final game tbh but not against Sheff Utd thugs.....would give the loanees a bit of a decent send off and maybe
Joe Cole for Ricoh match plus they would bounce more than the kids when they undoubtedly get booted up in the air! Sheffield Utd still have outside chance and they will be fighting tooth and nail.....just don't think it is the right game to blood the kids....next week a bit of a nothing for both sides so would be great chance to blood the kids!!

steve82 · Apr 28, 2016

My prediction of what TM will do Saturday.
------------------RCC--------------------
--phillips---Martin---Stephens---sayoud--
--------- vincelot------Fleck --------------
----Jones -----Lameires ------ Cole
---------------Armstrong -------------
Which will also convert to wingbacks to counteract sheff Utd's wing backs.
------------------RCC--------------------
------vincelot----Martin----Stephens-----
Phillips-----------Fleck-------------sayoud
------ Jones --- lameires ------Cole -----
----------------Armstrong --------------
Subs: addai, Harris, Lorenztson, Gadzhev, Rose, G Thomas, Tudgay.

stupot07 · Apr 28, 2016

Hobo said:
Perhaps he doesn't think the youngsters are at the same level as the 18 year olds you have mentioned?

He's talking about physicality not skill. I'm not saying he should play all the kids, but playing a 34 year old Stephen Hunt who's made just 3 all season (all losses) and not featured in the u21's for a few months ahead of one of the kids is just wrong.

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stupot07 · Apr 28, 2016

dongonzalos said:
The problem is the lower he finishes in the table will be used as a stick to beat him with next season if he goes through any sticky patches.
I agree with giving the kids a chance.
However I have no doubt if it led to a lower finish
Next season people would not say we could have finished higher but we were giving kids experience.

Doesn't matter, the last 26 games has been relegation form, falling from leading the league by 3 points after 18 games and missing out on the play offs is a failure, doesn't matter if we finish finishing 9th or 12th now. And the way the first 11 is playing the kids are hardly going to harm their form.

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Otis · Apr 28, 2016

stupot07 said:
Doesn't matter, the last 26 games has been relegation form, falling from leading the league by 3 points after 18 games and missing out on the play offs is a failure, doesn't matter if we finish finishing 9th or 12th now. And the way the first 11 is playing the kids are hardly going to harm their form.

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Yep, 9th or 12th isn't going to make any particular difference now I would have thought.

No-one is saying play all the kids, but I would much rather see a young lad given the chance ahead of the likes of Hunt and if Fleck isn't staying I think Stevenson should at least be given some game time on Saturday, even if from the subs bench.

Brylowes · Apr 28, 2016

Nick said:
Lameiras was great against them before

That game was the only time he even remotely impressed me, but I really mean remotely .

Otis · Apr 28, 2016

Brylowes said:
That game was the only time he even remotely impressed me, but I really mean remotely .

Only shown flashes here and there and I have been very disappointed with him this far.

Hopefully next season he will be a more potent player for us.

Brylowes · Apr 28, 2016

Otis said:
Only shown flashes here and there and I have been very disappointed with him this far.

Hopefully next season he will be a more potent player for us.

Hope you're right but can't see it to be honest, far to week don't think he's going to make it.

dongonzalos · Apr 29, 2016

Otis said:
Yep, 9th or 12th isn't going to make any particular difference now I would have thought.

No-one is saying play all the kids, but I would much rather see a young lad given the chance ahead of the likes of Hunt and if Fleck isn't staying I think Stevenson should at least be given some game time on Saturday, even if from the subs bench.

When it comes to slagging him off next season during a sticky patch finishing 13th will end up as a big issue. No question.

rupert_bear · Apr 29, 2016

The more I read statements from Tony Mowbray the more I shake my head in disbelief. The main job of any manager is to create belief and back youngsters, if he believed they ain't ready say nowt. While we are at it we are not talking putting half the youth team in just replacing Ricketts with one. A reason Bassala gave for moving on was lack of first team opportunity , he has a polnt

Otis · Apr 29, 2016

Does seem a little odd.

Can't think of a better time to blood youngsters than when there's nothing to play for and how often do you get league games like that? Next to never!

Would say that nearly every team we have faced has been quite strong and physical. Not been many at all that haven't been. This IS League One and this is a physical league.

As has been said, no-one is suggesting throwing 4 or 5 kids in, just 1 or 2.

If it is Hunt in then I think that is quite baffling. Hardly picked, hardly player, almost certainly not to be here next season. What's the point?

Gazolba · Apr 29, 2016

In Mowbray's eyes, the kids will never be ready. Why do you think Sambou quit?

stupot07 · Apr 29, 2016

dongonzalos said:
When it comes to slagging him off next season during a sticky patch finishing 13th will end up as a big issue. No question.

No, if we finish 13th next season, we will say he failed anyway. 2 year plan, 4/transfer with windows and a top 6 (to 8 budget), 13th wouldn't show any progress even if we finish 12th this season, and actually if you used proper logic if we finish the season strongly and say finished 8th, then in 13th next season would be even more of a failure than playing the kids and finishing 12th.

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Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 29, 2016

I see no point in playing players like Fleck who are not going to be here

ccfchoi87 · Apr 29, 2016

Brylowes said:
That game was the only time he even remotely impressed me, but I really mean remotely .

Millwall away?

Otis · Apr 29, 2016

Terry Gibson's perm said:
I see no point in playing players like Fleck who are not going to be here

Totally agree. Can't see any point and Fleck isn't exactly physical anyway is he.

Terry Gibson's perm · Apr 29, 2016

Otis said:
Totally agree. Can't see any point and Fleck isn't exactly physical anyway is he.

Should give Vlad a run and maybe Stevenson, if he wants to play Hunt etc play them next week when most of us won't have to watch it. never going to get the required experience without playing some of them or if they are so far away from the first team get rid of them as they are passengers.

Nick · Apr 29, 2016

Terry Gibson's perm said:
Should give Vlad a run and maybe Stevenson, if he wants to play Hunt etc play them next week when most of us won't have to watch it. never going to get the required experience without playing some of them or if they are so far away from the first team get rid of them as they are passengers.

That's the thing, it depends what approach he wants to do.

I moan when he fiddles with a winning team, but that's because he fiddles with it and throws in players who won't be here next season for some reason. If it was quite clear now that we can't make the playoffs he was giving the players for next season a run out to give them a bit of a headstart we can see what he is trying and if we lose I am sure it is more understandable than when he throws Murphy, Cole or Maddison in and takes one of our own players out.

skybluegod · Apr 29, 2016

"I think the experienced players feel my emotion and feel my anger. I think with the younger ones it almost washes over them, so it might be a day for experience rather than youth.”- this is him talking about his rant last Saturday. This is perhaps why he doesn't want the kids in. He knows what he is talking about clearly.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/team-talk-takes-care-itself-11257531 - Full article

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 29, 2016

Tony Mowbray fears throwing Coventry City kids in against 'big and strong' Sh...

Gazolba said:
In Mowbray's eyes, the kids will never be ready. Why do you think Sambou quit?

Because Everton and other clubs are probably offering 10x what we did.

Huckerby · Apr 29, 2016

CCFC said:
Because Everton and other clubs are probably offering 10x what we did.

stop talking sense you

dongonzalos · Apr 29, 2016

stupot07 said:
No, if we finish 13th next season, we will say he failed anyway. 2 year plan, 4/transfer with windows and a top 6 (to 8 budget), 13th wouldn't show any progress even if we finish 12th this season, and actually if you used proper logic if we finish the season strongly and say finished 8th, then in 13th next season would be even more of a failure than playing the kids and finishing 12th.

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My point is if he plays the kids now and we lose the remaining games and finishes 13th.
Or he plays his strongest team and potentially finishes 9th and fewer points off the play offs.
When he has a sticky spell next season like all teams do.
If he finishes 13th this season those requesting we play the kids will not say to be fair he was 7 points off the play offs last season then played the kids and ended up 13th and 13 points away. When really he could have finished the season 9th and 4-5 points off the play offs.
I want him to play the kids but I can see why finishing as high as you can is important in this knee jerk wanting to sack managers every season world of football.

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