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Likewise tbh
Likewise tbhI've probably got bigger personal issues and I'm depressed watching this shite
At least venting on here is a type of therapy hey? I'd rather have the watching good football type of therapy but you make the best of what's available.Likewise tbh
You think not replacing the assistant or the experience in the squad isn't down to King?
That part is definitely down to him.
And I can't find one post saying Robins is blameless. People just keep making it up in their heads.
But he's had 3 tools which hes used to be succesful, an assistant, experienced players and loans all taken away from him.
Anyone who thinks that hasn't had an affect is deluded.
He's still made some poor selections and in game decisions though, no doubt about it.
The November international break would be a good barometer, 3rd of the way through the seasonThe other aspect to this is that if the poor form continues the club are holding player assets which are diminishing in value thus making it harder for the inevitable rebuild which will be needed when some of them leave . Much more difficult to attract a decent calibre of player when on pitch performances have been in decline.
As I've stated previously I believe that the major factor contributing to this slump is the coaching set up. Who the fuck defends set pieces with the whole team behind the ball with none of them marking anyone in particular? Tactics during games are not obvious but our reactions to opposing teams switching tactics appear to be non existent. Sitting down staring at iPads for the match duration is bollocks . Robins previously had the more direct assistance of Adi which at least provided alternative strategies throughout matches.
MR must carry a good degree of responsibility for the current situation but the back up looks totally abject to me.
I think however that giving him until Christmas as some have suggested potentially is too late for someone to fix the issues if they still persist. Another 6 games will surely indicate if the problems have been addressed.
the cold hard facts are - this squad and current coaching staff isn’t built for how Robins wants to manage the club.
now there are two options. Robins adapts to the squad he has and uses the tools at his disposal. He’s previously lamented the stuff he doesn’t have but others do and that we can’t compete because of this. The Director of football and the head of recruitment is his mate.
the second option is that he can’t adapt. We let him go and hire a manger/Head coach that the squad and staff are in line with. It’s nonsense that there isn’t a manager out there that can’t get this team going.
Either way we need to make a decision shortly so we can get back on track
See we can take it as conflicting reports. There’s a lot of talk on here that King has put this in place and that Robins has had this set up foisted upon him, he likes the operation he had before is the general take on here. (See the previous threads blaming the performance director and KingI am not disputing what you say, but the first paragraph- how do you know?
See we can take it as conflicting reports. There’s a lot of talk on here that King has put this in place and that Robins has had this set up foisted upon him, he likes the operation he had before is the general take on here. (See the previous threads blaming the performance director and King
if however he’s had a say in it, then it’s got to be accepted he’s ballsed it up. Either way it’s not a good luck for Robins.
I don’t know for sure, but as mentioned before the only thing that’s changed from last season is the band of Vivaesh, Lawrence and Robins.
I’m still of the opinion that it’s all gearing to the foreign head coach model. Or young first team coach from a top club ala Kieran McKenna
That last paragraph is where I’m at - I’m not necessarily “Robins out” I’ve made the assumption rightly or wrongly that we’re following a new model, and I’m struggling to see where Robins fits in.I think there’s a bit more to it than just Viveash on its own- like I say, last season Wright & Simms were scoring, whereas this season the xg table clearly shows that our inability to finish is costing us very dearly. It’s not so much of a leap to suggest that if we were scoring then this debate would not be happening- an underwhelming start but not a total disaster. There’s also the question of these personal issues which I don’t want to start digging into as it’s just speculation tbh.
so I’m not arguing with you, but again I don’t think it’s as simple as just one thing, a few things have happened all at once. None are unfixable, and I feel Robins has more than earned the chance to fix them- hence my position.
But.. if you’re right and King wants that particular model maybe it’s all irrelevant and he won’t get the time, who knows. I hope not.
That last paragraph is where I’m at - I’m not necessarily “Robins out” I’ve made the assumption rightly or wrongly that we’re following a new model, and I’m struggling to see where Robins fits in.
As you’ve said and underwhelming start isn’t a disaster - but what concerns me we look devoid of fight, when we’re on top in games we look like we could win them. But what tends to happen is if they don’t get ahead, the heads drop and the inevitable mistake happens.
when we’re losing we rarely look like we can get back into games - that’s why it appears different to the last 2 seasons. We looked like we could pop up at anytime and grab an equaliser and winner
Godden was not as good as some people suggest. He was not an impact player or for that matter, a leader.I think maybe the lack of getting back into games- along with the lack of scoring late like we used to do regularly- can be partly attributed to the loss of the experienced heads.
People like McFazdean, Godden etc, they never ever let their heads drop, and rallied everyone them, whereas now you can almost sense them drop and there’s nobody there to lead them & drive them to keep going.
The foreign head coach model is how I would sum it up.See we can take it as conflicting reports. There’s a lot of talk on here that King has put this in place and that Robins has had this set up foisted upon him, he likes the operation he had before is the general take on here. (See the previous threads blaming the performance director and King
if however he’s had a say in it, then it’s got to be accepted he’s ballsed it up. Either way it’s not a good luck for Robins.
I don’t know for sure, but as mentioned before the only thing that’s changed from last season is the band of Vivaesh, Lawrence and Robins.
I’m still of the opinion that it’s all gearing to the foreign head coach model. Or young first team coach from a top club ala Kieran McKenna
in terms of the squad - Robins has always opted for a vocal experienced captain and player leadership team, that self policed themselves - it’s bizarre that this hasn’t been replaced
Godden was not as good as some people suggest. He was not an impact player or for that matter, a leader.
This was never sold as an immediate promotion push was it. We’re part way through a process. There is a problem though, the players need to be putting in some special performances if we are to progress/ they get their dream move/ we cash in on them. At the moment, it’s looking bad on all counts.I think there’s a bit more to it than just Viveash on its own- like I say, last season Wright & Simms were scoring, whereas this season the xg table clearly shows that our inability to finish is costing us very dearly. It’s not so much of a leap to suggest that if we were scoring then this debate would not be happening- an underwhelming start but not a total disaster. There’s also the question of these personal issues which I don’t want to start digging into as it’s just speculation tbh.
so I’m not arguing with you, but again I don’t think it’s as simple as just one thing, a few things have happened all at once. None are unfixable, and I feel Robins has more than earned the chance to fix them- hence my position.
But.. if you’re right and King wants that particular model maybe it’s all irrelevant and he won’t get the time, who knows. I hope not.
This was never sold as an immediate promotion push was it. We’re part way through a process. There is a problem though, the players need to be putting in some special performances if we are to progress/ they get their dream move/ we cash in on them. At the moment, it’s looking bad on all counts.
That’s quite wrong, We were sold playoffs 3 years out of 5. Didn't happen last year, exceedingly unlikely to happen this year so we the next 3 seasons are going to be brilliant. We were also told that we would be going for it this season.This was never sold as an immediate promotion push was it. We’re part way through a process. There is a problem though, the players need to be putting in some special performances if we are to progress/ they get their dream move/ we cash in on them. At the moment, it’s looking bad on all counts.
I can - and have.Can’t argue with a single word of that.
I still feel Robins is the man to turn it around, but it’s pretty obvious to see why people are starting to question
That’s quite wrong, We were sold playoffs 3 years out of 5. Didn't happen last year, exceedingly unlikely to happen this year so we the next 3 seasons are going to be brilliant. We were also told that we would be going for it this season.
The pessimist in me will of course think that which playoffs weren’t specified, we have all assumed it was the Championship playoffs
I can - and have.
it’s my view that we give him until Christmas, yes.
This is my view really but is it fair? We all accept the problem is lack of leadership. We probably need an experienced CM to come in for Eccles and an experienced CB to come in for Thomas. That can’t happen until Jan (unless we get Matty James), so if you’re sticking with him should you give him the window to sort the mistakes of the summer?
More just like he’s adapting to it imo. Makes sense and to be honest not sure why the manager should be sharing what Injuries players have. Timelines absolutely tho.
My heart says yes but my head… it’s toughif there’s no improvement it’s got to be no. If we’re still on this run by the next window then we really are in trouble, no arguments.
Ideally we’d get that Matty James-type player now, we are so blatantly in need of some experience. Lot of pressure on whoever that person was coming in though.
In an ideal world we’d get an assistant and Marty James in now, and then we could at least test the experience theory. Basically back him or sack him I think is what I’m saying. If you don’t want to get an assistant or experience in in case it doesn’t work you’ve already lost faith in your manager IMO.
It doesn’t make sense, it’s not what any other club (to my knowledge) does.More just like he’s adapting to it imo. Makes sense and to be honest not sure why the manager should be sharing what Injuries players have. Timelines absolutely tho.
So when did the 5 year Premier Card come in to play? 2 or 3 seasons left. Robins et al made it clear it was not an immediate fix. I’m just as concerned as many. Perhaps not as concerned as some?That’s quite wrong, We were sold playoffs 3 years out of 5. Didn't happen last year, exceedingly unlikely to happen this year so we the next 3 seasons are going to be brilliant. We were also told that we would be going for it this season.
The pessimist in me will of course think that which playoffs weren’t specified, we have all assumed it was the Championship playoffs
Let's not forget that alongside the aim of being in the play offs 3 years out of five the owner also said we would never be in a relegation struggle under his ownership... that's why Mark Robins will be in great danger of losing his job right now tbh.That’s quite wrong, We were sold playoffs 3 years out of 5. Didn't happen last year, exceedingly unlikely to happen this year so we the next 3 seasons are going to be brilliant. We were also told that we would be going for it this season.
The pessimist in me will of course think that which playoffs weren’t specified, we have all assumed it was the Championship playoffs
Completely agree with this. If USAs source was correct on the source, seems Doug might have already started doubting Robins.In an ideal world we’d get an assistant and Marty James in now, and then we could at least test the experience theory. Basically back him or sack him I think is what I’m saying. If you don’t want to get an assistant or experience in in case it doesn’t work you’ve already lost faith in your manager IMO.
The only way it makes sense is Wilson wants to leave and he doesn't want details of an injury being made public.It is odd. Technically a player can I suppose refuse the club to make public any info on medical data but I’ve never heard it before.
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