Still going around in circles. A few things need to happen. SISU either need to come clean about third-party litigation or drop the legals. CA then has to go public with his 17 points.
Only by losing the subterfuge can we unite as fans. The subterfuge is not letting us have a clear picture to unite behind. It's as simple as that for me. Until things come clearer you will never know what to do for the best. Being angry and shouty when you don't understand what you're being angry and shouty about gains CCFC nothing. Until then the best you can do go and watch the team, cheer them on and buy merchandise, programs etc.
SISU need to help us with a clearer picture before we can fight their battles for them. Until that happens we're just going to have the continue merry-go-round of he said she said. If SISU can't come clean on a few things then it's more than time for them to go. They aren't helping the club.
Look at the plans, they're on the CCC website. We won't be able to run a Cat 2 academy from Higgs once Wasps plans are implemented.
Well you are trying very hard to stop any unification against wasps - that's very obvious to all of us.
I agree. Calista is right, the way to unite fans is almost to forget the legals and the Ricoh (we have 2 years to sort that), and focus on the one thing we all agree on and that's trying saving the Cat 2 academy. Wasps plans and the swimming pool haven't been approved yet so we should be doing everything we can to stop them, and yes that means the Trust leading from the front.Naive I'm afraid.
Because for us to know all requires all parties to come clean about everything and, as we've seen before, everything is always through a filter.
Best to just accept negotiations have stalled, and push for a realisation of something concrete rather than abstract. Blame and truth are the way to madness.
Not wanting to step on Grendel's toes, I do believe you stated the Ricoh would now be the JLR stadium. I believe you gave a timescale long passed. I think that means you were wrong.
* Edit didn't realise Sick Boy had already raised this, but you seem to have deflected the fact that you were wrong.
I'm only wrong when the new stadium sponsor is not JLR.
I have no idea why the delay I can only assume they want CCFC settled before confirmation.
He didn't agree on any of the 17 points
Don't ever chastise Grendel for bending what he says, as he has nothing on you.
Naive I'm afraid.
Because for us to know all requires all parties to come clean about everything and, as we've seen before, everything is always through a filter.
Best to just accept negotiations have stalled, and push for a realisation of something concrete rather than abstract. Blame and truth are the way to madness.
So your definition of the academy staying at Higgs is it moving off site and using the Ricoh? The same Ricoh we weren't allowed to stage a Jimmy Hill tribute game at as the pitch wouldn't be able to cope with the extra wear.Not saying your wrong but Wasps seem to think it can be accommodated with a little bit of tweaking as well as moving some pitch usage off site and using the Ricoh.
Because their owners don't happen to be pushing Coventry as a city of rugby I guess...So your definition of the academy staying at Higgs is it moving off site and using the Ricoh? The same Ricoh we weren't allowed to stage a Jimmy Hill tribute game at as the pitch wouldn't be able to cope with the extra wear.
Here's an idea, if there's other sites in the city that can be used why don't Wasps use them?
Well we have some idea.How are we supposed to back the 17 points when we have no idea at all what they are?
That gives us an idea and I'm sure Wasps would have been quick to mention it to the Telegraph if anything unreasonable had been asked for.“I have seen Chris make reference to his 17-point plan, and I didn’t realise there were 17 points until he said that - but there probably were.
“But it wasn’t done where they came with a list of 17 demands, if we were going to do a long deal - and we were talking about a 20- or 25-year deal, he had drawn up a list of issues he thought we needed to address.
“We went through those line by line and put together a plan that would address what Coventry City need from it and that would still be commercially viable for us.
“We were making very good progress, we were probably halfway to two thirds of the way through the list.
“We still had some points not agreed, but we agreed some of the key points for example how to make food and beverage work from their point of view, how hospitality would work, where to locate a club shop in the stadium - all those sort of things were agreed.
Well we have some idea.
That gives us an idea and I'm sure Wasps would have been quick to mention it to the Telegraph if anything unreasonable had been asked for.
Not naive at all. How are we supposed to back the 17 points when we have no idea at all what they are?
Oh and as an aside, if you want 'truth' the only vague hope of an arbiter of truth is... court action.
We've had the truth twice then already.
We've had the truth twice then already.
Getting focussed on 17 points is the way to end up unfocussed.
What do we want? An academy.
When do we want it? Now and in the future.
Getting hung up on who said what to who is the surefire way to waste our time bickering. Surely you've learned that!
We need a working relationship with Wasps. It's as simple as that. An extended stay at the Ricoh is a good starting point.
The academy if you read what people on here who have actually looked into the requirements for Cat 2 status is not actually under threat from Wasps proposal at the AEHC. From what I can gather the only thing that is under threat is the indoor pitch from the swimming pool. That's the only thing we actually need primacy of at the AEHC and from what I can tell that isn't threatened by Wasps. From what I understand from those who have looked into it there is nothing saying that it has to be all on one site. Everything else could be done from Ryton or Warwick Uni from what I can tell.
We've certainly had some truth, for sure.
That's true. We haven't seen anything of what SISU were planning behind the scenes. Internal memo's, minutes from meetings, that sort of thing. SISU's motivation behind all their decision's will never come out. Good point NW.
What we need is the trust, or the local media for that matter, to speak with both Wasps and CSF and find out exactly what facilities and on what terms (i.e.: primacy, number of hours etc) are available to CCFC.
Then that can be compared against the regulations, with clarification sought from the FA if needed, and we'll know where we stand.
Looking at the plans, along with what Wasps, Higgs and CSF have said, I really struggle to see how we can still meet the requirements even before the pool gets added.
What we need is the trust, or the local media for that matter, to speak with both Wasps and CSF and find out exactly what facilities and on what terms (i.e.: primacy, number of hours etc) are available to CCFC.
Then that can be compared against the regulations, with clarification sought from the FA if needed, and we'll know where we stand.
Looking at the plans, along with what Wasps, Higgs and CSF have said, I really struggle to see how we can still meet the requirements even before the pool gets added.
He didn't agree on any of the 17 points.
The legal action wasn't a factor at all. Keep their PR up though.
And this is where you fall down, by going for the petty.
I never even bothered to mention the revelation of a media assault, therefore showing that any statements through the press, or briefings to interested parties should be discounted, as it demonstrated the mediatised prism it all goes through...
Or he did have issue with the 17 points - but from a PR perspective it's easier to shift blame onto the other party.
I agree. Calista is right, the way to unite fans is almost to forget the legals and the Ricoh (we have 2 years to sort that), and focus on the one thing we all agree on and that's trying saving the Cat 2 academy. Wasps plans and the swimming pool haven't been approved yet so we should be doing everything we can to stop them, and yes that means the Trust leading from the front.
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Well he does have his 2 disciples St Nick and St TorchYou don't care about the legal action do you?
You just seem completely focused on getting people up in arms against Wasps. I am just helping you achieve your aim. Broaden it a bit to include SISU and in particular the legal action most fans agree should be dropped and you might get your unified campaign.
Give it a go, you never know you might get people agreeing you for once.
It's not petty it's a fact. We are only ever going to learn what went on behind the scenes about one party. We're never going to know ALL the truths regardless of how many courts it goes to because only one party is on trial, so to speak.
I didn't think there was room for additional pitches at Higgs but having a dig around I found a planning application from before the centre was there. It was actually made by the football club to have all their training facilities (i.e.: getting rid of Ryton) located there and included 9 outdoor pitches as well as the indoor pitch, plus accommodation! The CCC planning portal doesn't seem to be working properly at the moment so I can't view the original Higgs plans to see how the pitch locations match up and what would need to be done to add more pitches there. Did notice that on the CCFC plans it involved work to avoid flooding, that might only have been needed if they were fitting as many pitches as possible on there.The only thing that we need at the AEHC that we can't get anywhere else as I understand it going from what others have posted is the indoor pitch, everything else we need is available elsewhere and apparently splitting facilities is allowed. It's the primacy that's crucial not location.
The indoor pitch is unique enough that it has a chance in a fight against the swimming pool. Especially if a paying customer is willing to commit to it, especially if that paying customer is already a Tennant.
Problem is if Anderson comes out and says we need abc nobody will believe him and then we'll have an article in the paper the next day from Higgs, CSF or Wasps saying what we actually need is xyz.Agree with this.
But if CCFC really want to stay what is the problem with them doing exactly this? Particularly as I believe Wasps have said they will discuss.
CCC can call for disclosures in JR2 just as SISU can!
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