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  • Start date Jun 9, 2016
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italiahorse

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #141
Deleted member 5849 said:
Perish the thought...
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The point I'm making is that the requests might be unreasonable from where we are and impossible to agree.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #142
Grendel said:
I would love it they said that they'd only continue if sisu stopped any legal action against the council.
They would then show themselves to be against democratic process.
They will not say it though.
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JR1 - Continues after 4 judges are damning of Sisu.
JR2 - The legality of Wasps / CCC deal ?

You really need to take a breath and think about things.
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #143
Have sisu officially appealed this JR1 yet ? And how far down the line is JR2 ?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #144
italiahorse said:
JR1 - Continues after 4 judges are damning of Sisu.
JR2 - The legality of Wasps / CCC deal ?

You really need to take a breath and think about things.
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I do unlike you who just continually makes untrue statements and portray them as facts. Eastwood will be proud of you.
 
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italiahorse

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #145
Grendel said:
I do unlike you who just continually makes untrue statements and portray them as facts. Eastwood will be proud of you.
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You do know what IMHO means don't you ?
Unless you can show me where I'm wrong !!
Waiting ............................................................................................................ ?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #146
italiahorse said:
Unless you can show me where I'm wrong !!
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http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/members/italiahorse.3136/#postings
 
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Astute

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #147
italiahorse said:
Most companies in the country are owned by other people who have bought shares in it.
The indication of whether they are a good investment or not is reflected in there value.
Wasps shares are still worth more than the starting value.
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This is incorrect. Wasps owe more moneythan what is secured against the arena. The bond issue only paid back 10m of what was previously owed. And that is why Wasps supporters say that they would have gone under if they never got the arena.
 
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Astute

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #148
And here we go again. It is either the fault of CCC or SISU if you believe this thread. And for the majority Wasps get an easy time taking our football clubs future away. Unbelievable.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #149
italiahorse said:
You do know what IMHO means don't you ?
Unless you can show me where I'm wrong !!
Waiting ............................................................................................................ ?
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The ratepayers are happy or don't care?

The ridiculous attempt to state if we were liquidated we'd drop two divisions when it would be 10?

That's this week. Shall we look back any more?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #150
Grendel said:
The ratepayers are happy or don't care?

The ridiculous attempt to state if we were liquidated we'd drop two divisions when it would be 10?

That's this week. Shall we look back any more?
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Are JLR sponsoring the Ricoh yet? I can still remember him having a go at anyone who questioned sisu.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #151
Astute said:
And here we go again. It is either the fault of CCC or SISU if you believe this thread. And for the majority Wasps get an easy time taking our football clubs future away. Unbelievable.
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tbh I've gone past blame in terms of these threads. I know what I think, but apart from biting now and again when I shouldn't, not convinced going round in the same old circles is productive.

What I do know is that if we don't point out our existence as a group, there's no reason for anybody to help us...
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #152
Deleted member 5849 said:
tbh I've gone past blame in terms of these threads. I know what I think, but apart from biting now and again when I shouldn't, not convinced going round in the same old circles is productive.

What I do know is that if we don't point out our existence as a group, there's no reason for anybody to help us...
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Exactly the blame game is "background noise" - it's clear if wasps PR and image is tarnished that can only help CCFC.

Let's get more articles appearing in the dailies that damage their image.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #153
Grendel said:
I would love it they said that they'd only continue if sisu stopped any legal action against the council.

They would then show themselves to be against democratic process.

They will not say it though.
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They will just say they are waiting till the legal action sees it course which they already have.

The nationals are not stupid

If you want them highlighted the plight of our club and fans you need to draw their attention to the full story.

They would only dig themselves to see what's behind Wasps behaviour.

So a two pronged approach is much better.

Plus like I say if you genuinely want to unite the fans that is the only way you will do it.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #154
Grendel said:
The ratepayers are happy or don't care?

The ridiculous attempt to state if we were liquidated we'd drop two divisions when it would be 10?

That's this week. Shall we look back any more?
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There not facts they are opinion.
You do know what IMHO means don't you ?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #155
italiahorse said:
There not facts they are opinion.
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You certainly present them as facts in the way you reference them as supposed evidence.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #156
italiahorse said:
The point I'm making is that the requests might be unreasonable from where we are and impossible to agree.
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David Armstrong said:
“We actually enjoyed a couple of months of very constructive conversations about a long-term deal here at the Ricoh Arena.

“I have seen Chris make reference to his 17-point plan, and I didn’t realise there were 17 points until he said that - but there probably were.

“But it wasn’t done where they came with a list of 17 demands, if we were going to do a long deal - and we were talking about a 20- or 25-year deal, he had drawn up a list of issues he thought we needed to address.

“We went through those line by line and put together a plan that would address what Coventry City need from it and that would still be commercially viable for us.

“We were making very good progress, we were probably halfway to two thirds of the way through the list.

“We still had some points not agreed, but we agreed some of the key points for example how to make food and beverage work from their point of view, how hospitality would work, where to locate a club shop in the stadium - all those sort of things were agreed.
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #157
dongonzalos said:
They will just say they are waiting till the legal action sees it course which they already have.

The nationals are not stupid

If you want them highlighted the plight of our club and fans you need to draw their attention to the full story.

They would only dig themselves to see what's behind Wasps behaviour.

So a two pronged approach is much better.

Plus like I say if you genuinely want to unite the fans that is the only way you will do it.
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The majority of fans I believe want wasps gone.

Armybike - a poster worshipped by wasps fans as standing for them - agrees with you though.

They haven't said they about legal action and never will to a national paper as - as you say - journalists in nationals aren't stupid and would probe vague "background noise" statements rather than swallow them like you and army bike and Italia.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #158
Sick Boy said:
Are JLR sponsoring the Ricoh yet? I can still remember him having a go at anyone who questioned sisu.
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Not yet.
You remember 4 years ago ?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #159
Grendel said:
The majority of fans I believe want wasps gone.

Armybike - a poster worshipped by wasps fans as standing for them - agrees with you though.

They haven't said they about legal action and never will to a national paper as - as you say - journalists in nationals aren't stupid and would probe vague "background noise" statements rather than swallow them like you and army bike and Italia.
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They probably do but it wouldn't make any difference to our situation while Sisu are here.
They don't worship him they say he talks sense, along with osb58.
The Wasps statements seem to be followed up with actual plans unlike Sisu statements that only become enablers for Wasps/Higgs/CSF plans..
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #160
Grendel said:
The majority of fans I believe want wasps gone.

Armybike - a poster worshipped by wasps fans as standing for them - agrees with you though.

They haven't said they about legal action and never will to a national paper as - as you say - journalists in nationals aren't stupid and would probe vague "background noise" statements rather than swallow them like you and army bike and Italia.
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You just keep uniting the fans.
You are very good at it :troll:
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #161

Yes he didn't seemed to have a big issue with the 17 points, just the legal action. The same legal action most fans want dropped.
Despite that Grendel says we should only unite against Wasps and not also encourage all legal action to be dropped as well to encourage a reasonable solution !!!!
 
Last edited: Jun 12, 2016

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #162
dongonzalos said:
You just keep uniting the fans.
You are very good at it :troll:
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Well you are trying very hard to stop any unification against wasps - that's very obvious to all of us.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #163
dongonzalos said:
Yes he didn't seemed to have a big issue with the 17 points, just the legal action.
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He didn't agree on any of the 17 points.

The legal action wasn't a factor at all. Keep their PR up though.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #164
dongonzalos said:
Yes he didn't seemed to have a big issue with the 17 points, just the legal action.
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Or he did have issue with the 17 points - but from a PR perspective it's easier to shift blame onto the other party.
 

italiahorse

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #165
Ian1779 said:
Or he did have issue with the 17 points - but from a PR perspective it's easier to shift blame onto the other party.
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You would have to be very naive to think that a deal can be completed between 2 parties that soon will be in court battling each other.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #166
italiahorse said:
You would have to be very naive to think that a deal can be completed between 2 parties that soon will be in court battling each other.
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How do others manage it then? And why enter into talks if you have no intention of concluding them? The legal action hasn't been some secret that's just been revealed.
 

Covstu

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #167
Weird how they stopped talks as soon as the plans for the Higgs training facility appeared wasn't it?
 
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italiahorse

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #168
chiefdave said:
How do others manage it then? And why enter into talks if you have no intention of concluding them? The legal action hasn't been some secret that's just been revealed.
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Who says they have no intention of concluding them ?
I thought they were on hold until the legals have finished.
We won't get a good deal while Sisu are in court against Wasps.
Whats the problem waiting as we have 2 years to conclude ?
 
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italiahorse

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #169
Covstu said:
Weird how they stopped talks as soon as the plans for the Higgs training facility appeared wasn't it?
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I thought Wasps wanted to discuss on Higgs but CA is waiting at Ryton for the postman to deliver a letter ?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #170
italiahorse said:
Who says they have no intention of concluding them ?
I thought they were on hold until the legals have finished.
We won't get a good deal while Sisu are in court against Wasps.
Whats the problem waiting as we have 2 years to conclude ?
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No wasps presented a deal that was impossible and they couldn't agree on one single point.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #171
italiahorse said:
I thought Wasps wanted to discuss on Higgs but CA is waiting at Ryton for the postman to deliver a letter ?
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Desperate. Wasps aren't even in yet - so how can they talk about anything? Oh and they won't either. That car park must be worth a lot.

You surrender your dignity every day on here because of it.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #172
Grendel said:
Desperate. Wasps aren't even in yet - so how can they talk about anything? Oh and they won't either. That car park must be worth a lot. You surrender your dignity every day on here because of it.
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Sounds like an uninformed rant to me, no content and typical of the "Lets back Sisu now because CCC and Wasps are carrying on without us" brigade.
Bit of jealousy thrown in there as well.
Divisive, insulting and clueless (Abbrev. : Grendel)
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #173
italiahorse said:
I thought Wasps wanted to discuss on Higgs but CA is waiting at Ryton for the postman to deliver a letter ?
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Look at the plans, they're on the CCC website. We won't be able to run a Cat 2 academy from Higgs once Wasps plans are implemented.
 
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Moff

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #174
italiahorse said:
You do know what IMHO means don't you ?
Unless you can show me where I'm wrong !!
Waiting ............................................................................................................ ?
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Not wanting to step on Grendel's toes, I do believe you stated the Ricoh would now be the JLR stadium. I believe you gave a timescale long passed. I think that means you were wrong.

* Edit didn't realise Sick Boy had already raised this, but you seem to have deflected the fact that you were wrong.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #175
Still going around in circles. A few things need to happen. SISU either need to come clean about third-party litigation or drop the legals. CA then has to go public with his 17 points.

Only by losing the subterfuge can we unite as fans. The subterfuge is not letting us have a clear picture to unite behind. It's as simple as that for me. Until things come clearer you will never know what to do for the best. Being angry and shouty when you don't understand what you're being angry and shouty about gains CCFC nothing. Until then the best you can do go and watch the team, cheer them on and buy merchandise, programs etc.

SISU need to help us with a clearer picture before we can fight their battles for them. Until that happens we're just going to have the continue merry-go-round of he said she said. If SISU can't come clean on a few things then it's more than time for them to go. They aren't helping the club.
 
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