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itsabuzzard

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #106
BackRoomRummermill said:
No that’s rubbish
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No it isn't.

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itsabuzzard

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #107
Terry_dactyl said:
*were
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Autocorrect!


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sylus

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #108
Tommo72 said:
Colchester, Mansfield and then Lincoln, it isn’t inconceivable that we could lose all 3...

7 pts return needed, 3 more likely.

As for Brighton, play anything like yesterday next week and it could be 3/4-0.
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I think you are being kind here,play anything like we did yesterday against Brighton and the score will be more like it was against Swansea and Notts county.
 
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Tommo72

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #109
Fair point.

Brighton score very few goals so Sat could be their chance...
 
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itsabuzzard

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #110
Is it not a bit barmy to field players who are obviously ill? If it's clear to the fans that they are under the weather when they take to the pitch, how come MR doesn't see it? Would it not have been far better to give fully fit fringe players a run out? I am not advocating getting rid of MR, but some of his decisions are baffling.

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Irish Sky Blue

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #111
Tommo72 said:
I think the underlying thought for many is that we know what’s coming and as Otis rightly pointed out, there is a very real fear that we could slide and never be seen again....

Given that consistent decline that isn’t an unrealistic possibility.....I think most of us have been more than patient for a long time and some of you need to be less accepting by the looks.

For me the last two games haven’t just been a blip but the start of our annual slide....it’s more about the nature of how we have performed that justifies my comments....
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The fact that this may be happening isn’t the issue for me. We all know how often a promising season has collapsed in ruins. It is the fact that some people think that getting rid of Robins will rectify things. At some stage this club has got to give a manager time to properly turn things around. Robins seems to me better than most managers of the last ten years. Give him the chance to do it.
 
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Nick

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #112
I still don't want him sacked, but it does worry me with how he doesn't seem to notice we create absolutely nothing and have no gameplan at all.

We had two shots yesterday, JMD from a half hearted free kick from distance and McNulty trying a shot he didn't really have any right to get away in the first place.

Robins needs to start taking risks and go back to the drawing board on how we are going to win games. Accrington game out yesterday with a plan, every player knew what they were meant to be doing.

First half it was mostly target DKE with diagonal balls that he wont be able to deal with.
Second half it was put it onto the head of Kee who will win it with a flick on for the other striker to run onto.

Both got them goals.
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #113
Robins must change his way of playing, has to, we create nothing match after match it’s there for all to see, why doesn’t he ?
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #114
As for getting rid of Robins none of us want to see that but his strategy isn’t working and I believe he has the players to alter his 7 defenders policy at home
 

Otis

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #115
Tommo72 said:
Colchester, Mansfield and then Lincoln, it isn’t inconceivable that we could lose all 3...

7 pts return needed, 3 more likely.

As for Brighton, play anything like yesterday next week and it could be 34-0.
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There you go. Corrected for you.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #116
Irish Sky Blue said:
The fact that this may be happening isn’t the issue for me. We all know how often a promising season has collapsed in ruins. It is the fact that some people think that getting rid of Robins will rectify things. At some stage this club has got to give a manager time to properly turn things around. Robins seems to me better than most managers of the last ten years. Give him the chance to do it.
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Good managers show flexibility and an ability to adapt to what's happening before them. Time and again, MR is static and persists with what clearly doesn't work. Same as Mowbray, same as Pressley.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #117
Otis said:
It very clearly was though. Abundantly clear that Mowbray wasn't going to turn it around and he even said so himself. He said he couldn't turn it round.
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How is Blackburn's form, is it experiencing the Mowbray post Xmas downturn syndrome?
 

Captain Dart

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #118
Hobo said:
Perhaps the real delusion is with the fans who think we should be getting automatic promotion?
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Not with these owners.
 

Otis

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #119
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Good managers show flexibility and an ability to adapt to what's happening before them. Time and again, MR is static and persists with what clearly doesn't work. Same as Mowbray, same as Pressley.
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Yep, it's a pattern.

Going back to Big Tone, when it worked well it worked beautifully well, but as soon as it went wrong he just couldn't change anything to change our fortunes and kept flogging away with what was then a failed formula.

It's clear to all the City fans that we don't create enough. Go a goal up and we're fine. Go a goal down and it's usually certain defeat.

The big problem yesterday was that Bayliss was clearly not 100% and he is the one player with some creativity about him. With him off his game we were never ever going to create anything.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #120
Otis said:
Yep, it's a pattern.

Going back to Big Tone, when it worked well it worked beautifully well, but as soon as it went wrong he just couldn't change anything to change our fortunes and kept flogging away with what was then a failed formula.

It's clear to all the City fans that we don't create enough. Go a goal up and we're fine. Go a goal down and it's usually certain defeat.

The big problem yesterday was that Bayliss was clearly not 100% and he is the one player with some creativity about him. With him off his game we were never ever going to create anything.
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I don't get why he played players with a virus. It was pretty much a mirror performance as against FGR anyway when nobody had a virus.

He can't push for promotion hoping that Bayliss pulls something out of the bag or McNulty scores from outside the box, there needs to be some sort of gameplan every game we go into.
 
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Otis

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #121
Captain Dart said:
How is Blackburn's form, is it experiencing the Mowbray post Xmas downturn syndrome?
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As I say, when it is going well it usually stays that way under Mowbray. When things start going wrong he struggles to halt the slide.

Happened twice at Middlesbrough and once here.
 

Otis

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #122
Nick said:
I don't get why he played players with a virus. It was pretty much a mirror performance as against FGR anyway when nobody had a virus.

He can't push for promotion hoping that Bayliss pulls something out of the bag or McNulty scores from outside the box, there needs to be some sort of gameplan every game we go into.
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Thing is, Nick, if Robins had rested Bayliss and put Shipley in the centre he would have got hammered for it on here.

We still wouldn't have had the creativity and Robins would have been heavily criticised for it.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #123
Otis said:
Thing is, Nick, if Robins had rested Bayliss and put Shipley in the centre he would have got hammered for it on here.

We still wouldn't have had the creativity and Robins would have been heavily criticised for it.
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There's a difference between being hammered for putting him out wide when fit to replace him with somebody struggling and negative and playing him when he is ill though isn't there?
 

Tommo72

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #124
Shipley was dreadful, wrong decision or poor execution time and time again yesterday.
 

Otis

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #125
Nick said:
There's a difference between being hammered for putting him out wide when fit to replace him with somebody struggling and negative and playing him when he is ill though isn't there?
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Yes, but I am talking about the mentality of football fans.

There were loads by me moaning like hell when Robins took McNulty off. They must live in a no news, blinkered bubble.

Even if Robins had said Bayliss was ill and had played Shipley in his place because he had to, he would still have got slaughtered for that decision.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #126
Has to play Reid against Colchester and going forward.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #127
Otis said:
Yes, but I am talking about the mentality of football fans.

There were loads by me moaning like hell when Robins took McNulty off. They must live in a no news, blinkered bubble.

Even if Robins had said Bayliss was ill and had played Shipley, he would have got slaughtered for that decision.
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Didn't Robins only say after the game McNulty was one of those ill? Not too sure what the point is in playing a 5 foot 8 or 9 striker and just hammering it forward at every chance, may as well have just not played him.

If the players were out all week and clearly not up to it thats where a manager see's who is fit and comes up with a plan. If we were going to hoof it forward all game as we did than JCH would have probably been a better option and leave McNulty out.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #128
All is not lost, but things need to change very quickly.

The FA Cup run has been brilliant, but the league is our bread and butter, we need to start winning games.

Our next five league games are;

Colchester
Mansfield
Wycombe
Lincoln
Barnet

We need to win at least four if not five of these games, it’s a big ask, but would put us back in with a shout.

Anything less is going to be very testing.


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Nick

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #129
I really couldn't care if he puts out the U16's for the Brighton game.Obviously I want us to win every game but the league is far more important.
 
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Otis

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #130
Nick said:
Has to play Reid against Colchester and going forward.
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Never thought I would hear myself say this, but yeah, I agree.

Only a week ago I wanted him nowhere near our club, but watching what JMD doesn't offer and Barrett not showing anything at all yet either, I think all we have to look to Reid or Shipley.
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #131
Otis said:
Yes, but I am talking about the mentality of football fans.

There were loads by me moaning like hell when Robins took McNulty off. They must live in a no news, blinkered bubble.

Even if Robins had said Bayliss was ill and had played Shipley in his place because he had to, he would still have got slaughtered for that decision.
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Then he needs to grow some.
I'd much rather he'd drop Bayliss when shoeing in Kelly than put him wide let alone ill.
At least he would be showing true colours rather than fudging it .
In truth It's Important to recognise Bayliss is not a god will tire and need a break here and there, although I do love the kid and he will be special.
 

Hobo

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #132
Otis said:
Yep, it's a pattern.

Going back to Big Tone, when it worked well it worked beautifully well, but as soon as it went wrong he just couldn't change anything to change our fortunes and kept flogging away with what was then a failed formula.

It's clear to all the City fans that we don't create enough. Go a goal up and we're fine. Go a goal down and it's usually certain defeat.

The big problem yesterday was that Bayliss was clearly not 100% and he is the one player with some creativity about him. With him off his game we were never ever going to create anything.
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So over reliance on Bayliss and McNulty. You can see it, I can see it, all fans can see it and anybody would be mad to think Robins can't see it. But he has the same problem Mowbray had and all managers have at this level - bringing in quality to help average players and inexperienced players. You are gambling on the experienced having an Indian Summer I.e Cole and Hunt or inexperience coming good (see this January signings).
 

Otis

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #133
Nick said:
Didn't Robins only say after the game McNulty was one of those ill? Not too sure what the point is in playing a 5 foot 8 or 9 striker and just hammering it forward at every chance, may as well have just not played him.

If the players were out all week and clearly not up to it thats where a manager see's who is fit and comes up with a plan. If we were going to hoof it forward all game as we did than JCH would have probably been a better option and leave McNulty out.
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Yep, it was only after the game, but we all knew before the game that a virus had gone round the camp.

You don't even need to have an 11 Plus certificate to understand that if we take our top striker off it is most likely because of the virus or because he's injured.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #134
Hobo said:
So over reliance on Bayliss and McNulty. You can see it, I can see it, all fans can see it and anybody would be mad to think Robins can't see it. But he has the same problem Mowbray had and all managers have at this level - bringing in quality to help average players and inexperienced players. You are gambling on the experienced having an Indian Summer I.e Cole and Hunt or inexperience coming good (see this January signings).
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Not really, it's more a lack of gameplan and approach. There are teams with average and inexperienced players beating us because they have a plan they all stick to.
 

itsabuzzard

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #135
Otis said:
Yes, but I am talking about the mentality of football fans.

There were loads by me moaning like hell when Robins took McNulty off. They must live in a no news, blinkered bubble.

Even if Robins had said Bayliss was ill and had played Shipley in his place because he had to, he would still have got slaughtered for that decision.
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If that's the prevailing mentality then I might just retire permanently to my garden and fishing.

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Adge

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #136
wingy said:
Then he needs to grow some.
I'd much rather he'd drop Bayliss when shoeing in Kelly than put him wide let alone ill.
At least he would be showing true colours rather than fudging it .
In truth It's Important to recognise Bayliss is not a god will tire and need a break here and there, although I do love the kid and he will be special.
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I was wondering why he’d gone off the boil-have you got a shed down the bottom of your garden?:emoji_thinking:
 
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CCFC54321

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #137
I personally think this season has been awful. The football has been awful, some of the signings have been awful and some of Robins decisions have me scratching my head at times.

This isn’t acceptable that a club this size is not only in the 4th division but we pathetically sit 9th in this dog of a league.

It’s not good enough.
 

pastythegreat

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #138
CCFC54321 said:
I personally think this season has been awful. The football has been awful, some of the signings have been awful and some of Robins decisions have me scratching my head at times.

This isn’t acceptable that a club this size is not only in the 4th division but we pathetically sit 9th in this dog of a league.

It’s not good enough.
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A club of what size?
We've got the 3rd or 4th best average attendance in the said "shit league"! We're not exactly a MASSIVE club. Rich history granted, but we play games in somebody else's grounds in front of crowds of 7k. How are we too big for this league??

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CCFC54321

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #139
pastythegreat said:
A club of what size?
We've got the 3rd or 4th best average attendance in the said "shit league"! We're not exactly a MASSIVE club. Rich history granted, but we play games in somebody else's grounds in front of crowds of 7k. How are we too big for this league??

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We are a huge club in this league in fact I’d say we are probably one of the biggest clubs this league has had.

It’s a disgrace us being here.
 

clint van damme

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  • Feb 11, 2018
  • #140
CCFC54321 said:
We are a huge club in this league in fact I’d say we are probably one of the biggest clubs this league has had.

It’s a disgrace us being here.
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