(the fact he combines two jobs at the moment goes against that)
Walking would be giving up. If you know anything about Thorn as a man-much of which can be gleaned from a passing knowledge of his gutsy, brave, determined playing career-you will understand that he is not a quitter! And I'm still waiting for the quote where he said that. Don't tell me it's because he *shock horror* didn't!!?!
Thorn is either an idiot for believing SISU's bullshit, or he is part of the bullshit brigade.
Either way I cannot see him resigning because future employment opportunities would be limited to being a scout somewhere.
There are still opposition teams to scout Astute
Ah sorry I forgot to scout our opponents during the closed season and before next seasons fixture list is out
Boring yawn.
Turned into another Thorn bashing post with some praying for him to walk.
Anyone would think looking at this website that Thorn is totally responsible for the downfall of our club on and off the field.
Thorn is probably just as prepared as we are for him to receive jack shit.
"i’m assured it’s all being taken care of and we can’t wait because i am itching to get going and it will be the first time i have had chance to freshen things up."
Surely he's not that naïve. I think he's playing along here, building up the pressure on SISU to deliver on their promise. Building up the shit storm coming their way if they don't. :claping hands:
He has the easiest job in the football league.
It's because of statements like these that the WUM acronym was created.
Subtle as a sledgehammer mind.
Dunno if this has been said, but when asked if he would be here next season he said they had asked him to stay on for next season and AT replied he had agreed to stay on the condition he had proper backing from the owners and board.When did AT make this I will quit comment and what did he actually say?
Has anyone still got a link to the original story, I missed it completely?
I think he would be more sensible just saying if they give me no signings as it stands, I will do my best to keep the club up but as you have seen before it will be hard.
Some signings, with a bit of luck and hardly any injuries lets see what can happen. I will keep the club up but who knows what else.
If they give me a signing for each player that has left and maybe one or two on top ie a football squad then I am going for the play offs and above and anything else is a failure.
That would be a wiser thing to say than if SISU dont give me signings I quit. He can still do a good job as a manager with no signings its just the goals are different.
My definition of easy is where you can manage an organisation to its worst performance in 60 years be statistically (I know you love your facts) the worst manager in history and still be under no serious pressure from your employer. Expectancy level is below zero. So tell me what is hard about it?
Dunno if this has been said, but when asked if he would be here next season he said they had asked him to stay on for next season and AT replied he had agreed to stay on the condition he had proper backing from the owners and board.
My definition of easy is where you can manage an organisation to its worst performance in 60 years be statistically (I know you love your facts) the worst manager in history and still be under no serious pressure from your employer. Expectancy level is below zero. So tell me what is hard about it?
The trouble is part of me thinks you really do believe these things. So I'm going to bite...
This would be the famous anti-Thorn stat that ignores any kind of context and that there may possibly be a parallel in there somewhere with regards to investment... :facepalm:
"The club has asked me if I will stay and I have asked for assurance that they will give me some help with some good players coming in.Interesting. Will see if I can find it.
I suppose if this is what he said he could always turn round and say. In light of the finances. They are giving me the best backing they possibly can.......
In reality though, you coulf throw that jibe to any manager who takes the helm, that they have the easiest job in the world. As, as you rightly point out the owners setup for failure.
The only way this debate will ever end is if they set up for success and get failure. Like with Coleman.
It's because of statements like these that the WUM acronym was created.
Subtle as a sledgehammer mind.
This would be the famous anti-Thorn stat that ignores any kind of context...
False.
Scan your eyes across the online CCFC community - the likes of KDuffy, Macca, Nick, LordSummerisle, LeamingtonBootBoy, most of the boys at GMK (Knowl, USSkyblue off the top of my head). Are they all wind-up merchants? Do they all ignore the context? I normally wouldn't isolate one statement aimed at one user, but this has been a recurring "argument" from AT supporters throughout the season.
Context has never been ignored. Nobody expected a great season because of corporate belt-tightening. Relegation may well have happened under any manager.
But that context has nothing to do with issues of tactics, character, motivational skills...ultimately whether he was getting the most out of the limited resources he had. That's a question that should be demanded of any manager regardless of whether they have the resources of Accrington Stanley or Barcelona. In AT's case it has been a very fair question to ask for some considerable time.
What I'm keen on knowing is how far you will let this "context" protect AT. Exactly how low would CCFC have to sink before you figure that it might be worth a change of manager to see if they can improve results?
For me anything but an immediate return to championship should be seen as failure this year.
We have released or sold 3-4 already from a threadbare squad, may well lose Keogh and Cranie and had 0 coming in so far!! Yep anything other than promotion is failure without doubt :facepalm:
I agree totally, but the more players we lose, the longer we go without recruiting new blood. The further we will slide. I do believe that IF we bought only 3-4 players that AT actually wanted we will bre okay. However, at this rate and going on previous SISU actions. At best we will get 1 - 2 last minute take em or leave hole fillers. Not good enough.
With the worst manager in our history the players "he wanted" will not be good enough anyway. You also need a few other things from the manager - little things like tactics, motivation, drive and discipline. Things he lacks so whatever the budget failure is inevitable but nice to see the case for the defence is being prepared early.
With the worst manager in our history the players "he wanted" will not be good enough anyway. You also need a few other things from the manager - little things like tactics, motivation, drive and discipline. Things he lacks so whatever the budget failure is inevitable but nice to see the case for the defence is being prepared early.
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