Thorn Bashers!!!!! (1 Viewer)

shy_tall_knight · Aug 5, 2012

Ordinarily pre season results are meaningless but our last 6 games where we were in a relegation scrap we had 2 draws and 4 defeats, including Brizzol a 6 pointer where we never turned up, Millwall and Donny home defeats where we looked so poor. read what you want into Jordan Clarkes tweet but I don't think AT has the players onside.

In terms of wage bill we should be in the top 6 of this league, AT needsto deliver on this, I want him sucede just don't think he has the right qualities.

Nonleagueherewecome · Aug 5, 2012

WillieStanley said:
What's so wrong with being in the minority.

To be fair, even the most hardened of Thorn supporters are becoming cynical. I have defended Thorn, especially as he seemed to learn as the season progressed, but it seems we still have a few of the same issues we had last season. We still have no real leadership on the pitch which, to me, is a major reason as to why we got relegated.

And leaders are expensive. We've just sold ours. The remaining leader in Wood (injured most of that season) better not be sold. If he is, we should sack the manager..

Nonleagueherewecome · Aug 5, 2012

Macca said:
But what is there to debate if we win? You get just as much post match reaction when we win but it dies quicker. Thats because after the initial joy you then relax and look forward to the next game. When we lose there is more to consider, where did we go wrong, tactics, how do we stop it happening next time. I refuse to entertain the idea that people spend hundreds of pounds a year in the hope of seeing us fail. Why? Because its nuts

It costs nothing to go on a website and pretend to be a ST holder, though.

Nonleagueherewecome · Aug 5, 2012

shy_tall_knight said:
Ordinarily pre season results are meaningless but our last 6 games where we were in a relegation scrap we had 2 draws and 4 defeats, including Brizzol a 6 pointer where we never turned up, Millwall and Donny home defeats where we looked so poor. read what you want into Jordan Clarkes tweet but I don't think AT has the players onside.

In terms of wage bill we should be in the top 6 of this league, AT needsto deliver on this, I want him sucede just don't think he has the right qualities.

Bristol rotated EIGHT players for that game, which was two days after the last one. We picked 3 players who wouldn't have made the squad at any other Championship club because they were injured!

Otis · Aug 5, 2012

Yep, I've been doing it for years.

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 5, 2012

Only a poor manager would persist in a "Diamond formation" when it was obvious it wasn't working. AT has a lot to learn yet, and I hope to God, it's sooner than later!

Astute · Aug 5, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
Only a poor manager would persist in a "Diamond formation" when it was obvious it wasn't working. AT has a lot to learn yet, and I hope to God, it's sooner than later!

This is where opinions differ. We lost most games by 1 goal. How good was our strikeforce? We had a striker who has averaged a goal about every 7or 8 games. We had a striker that was unfit. We had our other striker sold as he started to look good. I suppose us losing so many had nothing to do with a lack of scorers in the squad.

I would be happy to see the diamond formation with players like Fleck and strikers that can score and are fit.

SydneySkyBlue · Aug 5, 2012

Astute said:
This is where opinions differ. We lost most games by 1 goal. How good was our strikeforce? We had a striker who has averaged a goal about every 7or 8 games. We had a striker that was unfit. We had our other striker sold as he started to look good. I suppose us losing so many had nothing to do with a lack of scorers in the squad.

I would be happy to see the diamond formation with players like Fleck and strikers that can score and are fit.

Yep. It's football's most basic concept: To win a football match you have to score more goals than the opposition.

It's also why the best teams have the best strikers and why good strikers are so expensive.

Our biggest downfall last season was that we didn't score enough of them. We dominated matches but had nothing to show for it.

Fleck could turn out to be an inspirational signing. If the strikers brought in turn out to be half decent too we could see a change in fortunes.

dongonzalos · Aug 5, 2012

Nonleagueherewecome said:
And leaders are expensive. We've just sold ours. The remaining leader in Wood (injured most of that season) better not be sold. If he is, we should sack the manager..

I assume the last bit was tongue in cheek, otherwise you are going in the 'comedy thread'. I think we need Wood more than ever before. Something I am more accustomed to saying on a Friday night.

dongonzalos · Aug 5, 2012

GinettasStickySofa said:
Yep. It's football's most basic concept: To win a football match you have to score more goals than the opposition.

It's also why the best teams have the best strikers and why good strikers are so expensive.

Our biggest downfall last season was that we didn't score enough of them. We dominated matches but had nothing to show for it.

Fleck could turn out to be an inspirational signing. If the strikers brought in turn out to be half decent too we could see a change in fortunes.

agree with all of that which I why we need one more poacher incase fleck does not fulfill his promise and cody keeps getting niggles.

shy_tall_knight · Aug 5, 2012

Not sure we dominated that many games, keeping possession in the middle of the pitch does not imply domination, we didn;t create enough chances we lost by a single goal such as Hull at home but we created nothing at when chasing the game we passed the ball safely around the middle of the park allowing the opposition to regroup. Our more direct style from xmas onwards led to more success but teams did not fear playing us but were full of praise after they had beaten us.

dongonzalos · Aug 5, 2012

Nimely and Norwood changed that. Not really directness more creativity and chaos. However it still needed supplementing with an out and out scorer.for when cody was either injured or playing with a knock. That us where we were lacking.

BurbageSkyBlues · Aug 5, 2012

You can only pass it to a striker if he either makes space to receive it, or if he uses movement to pull defenders away from his team mates.

Football is a team game, everyone plays their part; often, the ones who contribute are not the ones who are credited with the headlines for scoring.

With better movement up front, we suddenly see the creative side of a midfielder.

SydneySkyBlue · Aug 5, 2012

shy_tall_knight said:
Not sure we dominated that many games, keeping possession in the middle of the pitch does not imply domination, we didn;t create enough chances we lost by a single goal such as Hull at home but we created nothing at when chasing the game we passed the ball safely around the middle of the park allowing the opposition to regroup. Our more direct style from xmas onwards led to more success but teams did not fear playing us but were full of praise after they had beaten us.

Well yes, when I say dominate I mean holding possession with nothing to show for it really. There were games right at the start of the season though where we had plenty of chances but nobody to take them. Ones that King would have buried. We lacked someone of his calibre to take the bull by the horns.

As dongonzalos says, Nimely and Norwood added some much needed incisiveness but it was too little too late.

SydneySkyBlue · Aug 5, 2012

BurbageSkyBlues said:
You can only pass it to a striker if he either makes space to receive it, or if he uses movement to pull defenders away from his team mates.

Football is a team game, everyone plays their part; often, the ones who contribute are not the ones who are credited with the headlines for scoring.

With better movement up front, we suddenly see the creative side of a midfielder.

Something that King was very good at. It's a very underrated attribute that all the best strikers have.

Nonleagueherewecome · Aug 6, 2012

dongonzalos said:
I assume the last bit was tongue in cheek, otherwise you are going in the 'comedy thread'. I think we need Wood more than ever before. Something I am more accustomed to saying on a Friday night.

You know me, most of what I say is tongue in cheek. Just the last line that time though. Whistling smiley is a clue

Astute · Aug 6, 2012

shy_tall_knight said:
Not sure we dominated that many games, keeping possession in the middle of the pitch does not imply domination, we didn;t create enough chances we lost by a single goal such as Hull at home but we created nothing at when chasing the game we passed the ball safely around the middle of the park allowing the opposition to regroup. Our more direct style from xmas onwards led to more success but teams did not fear playing us but were full of praise after they had beaten us.

And why were they full of praise for us?

Smallest squad, financially in the sh!t, more youngsters than anyone else, lost our 1st team before the season started and selling players if anyone wanted them. We were still in with a chance in most games. All we were missing were goals. We played better than our position would have suggested. All because we couldn't score enough. We were against teams used to running the game and they were not running it against us. Yet we were near the bottom. They put their chances away, we missed many. Nothing wrong with praising the way a team played when you were second best but won. Or was it teams just trying to make us feel better?

shy_tall_knight · Aug 6, 2012

I genuinely believe the opposition were surprised how well we moved the ball around considering our lowly position but praise is easy, its called generous in victory. The hull game was an example of a game where they weren't particularly good but still won as despite all our possession we couldn't create, I don't believe we missed as many as people say on here. Our inability to defend a lead cost us dearly.

Astute · Aug 6, 2012

And why didn't we miss the chances? Nothing to do with not having strikers with a finishing instinct?

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 6, 2012

@ Astute......

Exactly!..........You've just answered your own question. Our top scorer wasn't scoring enough goals, yet AT persisted in playing a formation throughout the season that did sweet fa. to support the striker. Someone posted if we were Man U. with their quality of players we could have carried on playing that way....but we're not are we?

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 6, 2012

Just to add to my last post......It's called "Playing to your strengths"....AT is the manager, and should have the brains to work out different tactics to go with the skill level of our team. :facepalm:

stupot07 · Aug 6, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Astute......

Exactly!..........You've just answered your own question. Our top scorer wasn't scoring enough goals, yet AT persisted in playing a formation throughout the season that did sweet fa. to support the striker. Someone posted if we were Man U. with their quality of players we could have carried on playing that way....but we're not are we?

I don't think we can complain about the top scorer - 9 in 26 is a very good ratio, the problem is no one else was contributing.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 6, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Astute......

Exactly!..........You've just answered your own question. Our top scorer wasn't scoring enough goals, yet AT persisted in playing a formation throughout the season that did sweet fa. to support the striker. Someone posted if we were Man U. with their quality of players we could have carried on playing that way....but we're not are we?

He played a number of formations. Don't pretend there was only one. The false accusation of the ever-present diamond does you and others no favours. And he played formations to accommodate the players he had at his disposal. Unless you've forgotten, we didn't have the resources of Real Madrid; or those you can pretend you've got on Football Manager...

valiant15 · Aug 6, 2012

We don't have the resources of mount nod under 11's.

oldskyblue58 · Aug 6, 2012

Does anyone know the date that AT became Chief Scout at CCFC ?

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 6, 2012

oldskyblue58 said:
Does anyone know the date that AT became Chief Scout at CCFC ?

5th April, 2008 I believe dear chap

lordsummerisle · Aug 6, 2012

oldskyblue58 said:
Does anyone know the date that AT became Chief Scout at CCFC ?

22nd July 1986.

oldskyblue58 · Aug 6, 2012

have answered my own question so no worries.......

http://www.nuneaton-news.co.uk/Sport/Trio-join-Sky-Blues-backroom-team.htm

would seem to be april 2008

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 6, 2012

@ MMM......

I think you were watching a completely different team to the one I watched(Away games)
AT played "Diamond formation" for, at the very least 3/4 of the season, so imo, I'm not making "False accusations" and unless "You've forgotten"(If you've read my post properly) I also said "Someone posted if we were Man U. with their quality of players we could have carried on playing that way....but we're not are we?"........As for trying a number of formations.....(Me being generous now) 3, maybe 4 other formations for ONE game, "In my eyes is nowhere near enough trial to see what we as a team could do.
I'm sorry mate, but I think you're wrong on this one. My opinion of course, but I'm sure there are many more who agree with me.

oldskyblue58 · Aug 6, 2012

double posted - sorry

thanks for the answers though

Astute · Aug 6, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Astute......

Exactly!..........You've just answered your own question. Our top scorer wasn't scoring enough goals, yet AT persisted in playing a formation throughout the season that did sweet fa. to support the striker. Someone posted if we were Man U. with their quality of players we could have carried on playing that way....but we're not are we?

Answered my own questions? I said we had a lack of goalscorers. Uou said AT played the wrong tactics for having a lack of goalscorers. What formation should he have played that would have given us lots more goals without goalscorers?

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 6, 2012

@ Astute......

4-4-2 would have given us far greater options. The Diamond never gave us enough width.
When you attack with 4-4-2, you effectively have 4 strikers, providing the 2 wide players can also defend, which in McSheff's case...he can't. Someone with the heart and lungs of Keogh at wingback can add that extra dimension. Oh! I forgot, we've sold him.

1nilandwe... · Aug 6, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Astute......

4-4-2 would have given us far greater options. The Diamond never gave us enough width.
When you attack with 4-4-2, you effectively have 4 strikers, providing the 2 wide players can also defend, which in McSheff's case...he can't. Someone with the heart and lungs of Keogh at wingback can add that extra dimension. Oh! I forgot, we've sold him.

So if you didn't want GMac out wide in a 442, who would you have played out there? Bell and Baker perhaps? You have to admit, our wide options were incredibly limited.

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 6, 2012

McSheff is a Striker, not a midfielder. Thorn played him wide in midfield(Out of position imo)....Apparently, we are overrun in midfield this year, so take your pick mate
As for our options being "Incredibly limited".....Who's fault is that?...SISU for not supplying Thorn with financial backing? or Thorn himself for not picking the right players to come to Coventry?(After all, every player at CCFC was brought in by him)

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 6, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
Who's fault is that?...SISU for not supplying Thorn with financial backing? or Thorn himself for not picking the right players to come to Coventry?(After all, every player at CCFC was brought in by him)

Surely, that's a joke?!?

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