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They've run us up against a cliff edge of and they've moved to tip us over (1 Viewer)

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ccfcway

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #1
Coventry City at risk of liquidation over CVA row with stadium owner

The Guardian,
Wednesday 31 July 2013 20.49 BST


Coventry City face a serious risk of liquidation on Friday and a severe points deduction, potentially plunging the club into deeper crisis one day before the start of their League One season.

The Sky Blues, who are in administration, are due to have a final creditors meeting on Friday at which Arena Coventry Limited, the owner of the Ricoh Arena and jointly made up of Coventry city council and the Higgs Trust, would need to sign a company voluntary arrangement that would secure payment to creditors, if the club are to exit administration.

On Tuesday ACL claimed it would consider signing the CVA if specific amendments were made. One amendment ACL requested was that the club sign a new 10-year rent deal at the Ricoh, significantly reducing the annual rent on the stadium to £150,000 a year, down from the previous £1.3m contract.

However, the Coventry City chief executive, Tim Fisher, said ACL's amendments would not be made to the CVA and that a planned groundshare with Northampton Town would go ahead.

"They've run us up against a cliff edge of liquidation and they've moved to tip us over," Fisher said. "All I can say is that it is the biggest crying shame.

"How can a public body not accept a complete CVA where they will get the money that they are owed, instead of a liquidation where they will get a fraction of that, potentially one-sixtieth of what they would have got?

"This isn't a financial situation of our making; there is no financial gain. Actually there is economic and financial wreckage at the club. I'm not sure we could have done anything differently."

It means Coventry will play their home matches 30 miles away at Sixfields for at least three seasons while the club, recently taken over by the London-based Otium Entertainment Group, which has strong links to the previous owner Sisu, build a new stadium elsewhere. They are considering redeveloping Brandon race track and a site in the south-west of Coventry.

The Sky Blues will still be able to compete in the new League One campaign, which begins for them at Crawley on Saturday, although they face a serious points deduction. The minimum deduction a club have previously received for not agreeing a CVA is 15 points, taken from Leeds United before their 2007-08 campaign. However, the number could be more. Rotherham United, Bournemouth and Luton Town have been handed bigger punishments for similar incidents.

Coventry City Limited, the company in administration, holds the licence agreement with ACL to stage games at the Ricoh Arena. ACL, which is suing Northampton Town for allegedly "inducing" Coventry into breaking an agreement to stage matches with it, believes its offer of reduced rent is good enough to keep the Sky Blues at the Ricoh.

A spokesman said: "ACL remains committed to keeping the Sky Blues in Coventry and to using the Ricoh Arena to drive growth and create jobs. All of our actions are focused on achieving these objectives.

"We have been avoiding comment in the hope that discussions could take place to deliver these twin aims. We remain hopeful that such discussions can take place and ACL's directors will only make a decision on whether or not to sign the CVA when we have exhausted all such avenues."

However, Fisher believes the commercial risk of building a new stadium is "short-term pain for long-term gain", despite the club having sold little over 200 season tickets for the upcoming season. "An unreserved apology to the fans that we've had to go down this route," he said. "We think it's regrettable and the off-field has completely overshadowed the on-field, now we need to redress the balance. The economic damage incurred to this club is huge."
 
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bradwellskyblues

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #2
by the time we build a new stadium we will be non league agent fisher will have destroyed our club
 
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RFC

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #3
But please remember who put us into this position in the first place, ACL far too long ago for most of us to remember but the owners reacted to put us into administration before that could happen, if they hadn't ACL
would have totally destroyed the Sky Blues IMHO!
 
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CovFan

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #4
Tim forgot to mention that they drove freely to the cliff edge, got out of the car then started dancing near the edge shouting "NA NA NA NA NA you can't push me".
 

Greggs

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #5
Media Blackout?
 

Covkid1968#

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #6
"This isn't a financial situation of our making; there is no financial gain. Actually there is economic and financial wreckage at the club. I'm not sure we could have done anything differently."


Really!!!!!!...absolutely nothing you could have done differently Fisher????????? I think even ACL will admit to accepting that they probably could have done things slightly differently to avoid this mess
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #7
RFC said:
But please remember who put us into this position in the first place, ACL far too long ago for most of us to remember but the owners reacted to put us into administration before that could happen, if they hadn't ACL
would have totally destroyed the Sky Blues IMHO!
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I do remember it was Sisu now just fuck off
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #8
RFC said:
But please remember who put us into this position in the first place, ACL far too long ago for most of us to remember but the owners reacted to put us into administration before that could happen, if they hadn't ACL
would have totally destroyed the Sky Blues IMHO!
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Broken record..........
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #9
so, apart from Joy and Tim, Otium are fully observing this media black out then
 

Sky Blues

Active Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #10
RFC said:
But please remember who put us into this position in the first place, ACL far too long ago for most of us to remember but the owners reacted to put us into administration before that could happen, if they hadn't ACL
would have totally destroyed the Sky Blues IMHO!
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ACL moved for administration after Tim Fisher threatened to liquidate the club:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/mar/11/coventry-city-administration-ricoh-arena?CMP=twt_gu

On a side note, why start a second thread on this topic when one was already going here: http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/34638-CCFC-still-going-to-Northampton
We're now having similar debates on two different threads.
 

Sub

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #11


might be required a lot this certificate !!
 
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mrbluesky87

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #12
So after all this hope of kicking the season off at the Ricoh, Fisher shits on us yet again. I want to hear what the Fisherites have got to say now.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #13
It doesn't have to be in the CVA.
If you can agree a deal on rent and review separately before hand then ACL you can just sign the CVA as it stands.
SISU and Tim Fisher it is absolutely bollocks.
You couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.
Sorry to say it, but Ive had enough, Crawley looks like my last game.
 

edgy

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #14
Anyone still solely blaming SISU for all this needs their mental capacity evaluating. How obvious does it need to be before the penny drops?
 
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Nsgdm1

Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #15
If that is Fisher and SISU's stance then it would be dissapointing if ACL did sign the CVA ,it does look like they have bent over backwards to come up with the last deal to try to sort things out ,where are SISU's proposals as to what they will accept to get the CVA signed ,I don't think they have any , and to those people who say ACL should just sign it with no conditions attatched,why ? would you sign away a multi million pound lease for peanuts with no guarantee of future income ?
It does really look like SISU are only after one thing now
 

ccfcway

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #16
edgy said:
Anyone still solely blaming SISU for all this needs their mental capacity evaluating. How obvious does it need to be before the penny drops?
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not sure anyone solely blames SISU, but personally I would blame them around 95%
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #17
edgy said:
Anyone still solely blaming SISU for all this needs their mental capacity evaluating. How obvious does it need to be before the penny drops?
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Both to blame but after a massive step by ACL it is all down to sisu from now on.
 
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skybluericoh

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #18
RFC said:
But please remember who put us into this position in the first place, ACL far too long ago for most of us to remember but the owners reacted to put us into administration before that could happen, if they hadn't ACL
would have totally destroyed the Sky Blues IMHO!
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Tim, how are you?

explain to me why we have an embargo place on us?
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #19
So, TF was taken aback by the new ACL offer and rejected it within 24 hours :thinking about:
 

deanocity3

New Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #20
it's obvious that ACL believe they can survive on 150,000 a year rent, why didn't they offer that years ago.
 
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Seyeclops666

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #21
RFC said:
But please remember who put us into this position in the first place, ACL far too long ago for most of us to remember but the owners reacted to put us into administration before that could happen, if they hadn't ACL
would have totally destroyed the Sky Blues IMHO!
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Moron!!
 

ccfcway

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #22
deanocity3 said:
it's obvious that ACL believe they can survive on 150,000 a year rent, why didn't they offer that years ago.
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beacuse SISU agreed to pay the rent ?

Tesco could survive selling bread for 10p, why dont they do it ?.

TF could survive on 50k a year, why does he earn more than that ?

Leon Clarke could survive on £500 a week, why didnt he agree to that ?

Its also obviously that SISU / Otium are prepard to pay rent to Northampton, why dont they pay that for the Ricoh ?

etc etc
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #23
edgy said:
Anyone still solely blaming SISU for all this needs their mental capacity evaluating. How obvious does it need to be before the penny drops?
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The penny dropped a long time ago Sisu want everything open your eyes they dont give a shit
 

Sky Blues

Active Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #24
deanocity3 said:
it's obvious that ACL believe they can survive on 150,000 a year rent, why didn't they offer that years ago.
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Could they have offered better deals if they had not refinanced the Yorkshire Bank loan? So they do and offer better terms and what does Sisu do? It sues the council for taking action that allows ACL to offer a lower rent...
 
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Nsgdm1

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #25
deanocity3 said:
it's obvious that ACL believe they can survive on 150,000 a year rent, why didn't they offer that years ago.
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The same reason that shops can afford to sell items at discount in sales ,they try to get the best price possible first ,then discount to just above cost to clear,it's called buisiness
 
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CCFC PimpRail

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #26
edgy said:
Anyone still solely blaming SISU for all this needs their mental capacity evaluating. How obvious does it need to be before the penny drops?
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That's right, those naughty naughty people at ACL only wanted to push the club into liquidation so they could buy the assets and have the club and stadium under single control.

Meanwhile, SISU were embaressed their club was playing in a stadium that would suit most prem or championship teams, and think a run-down dog track with little potential for expansion is more fitting for their team....
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #27
SISU wouldn't accept if they were offered free rent and access to revenue streams.
 
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Nsgdm1

Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #28
ccfcway said:
Its also obviously that SISU / Otium are prepard to pay rent to Northampton, why dont they pay that for the Ricoh ?

etc etc
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great point if they can agree a 5 year deal with Northampton which I doubt is much better terms than ACL then what is wrong with signing up to play at the Ricoh ?
 

ccfcway

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #29
I'd go as far as saying SISU wouldnt accept if ACL paid the to play there !
 

ccfcway

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #30
Nsgdm1 said:
great point if they can agree a 5 year deal with Northampton which I doubt is much better terms than ACL then what is wrong with signing up to play at the Ricoh ?
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and they would make a darn site more money with 10,000 than the 2-3,000 that will be at Northampton
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #31
RFC said:
But please remember who put us into this position in the first place, ACL far too long ago for most of us to remember but the owners reacted to put us into administration before that could happen, if they hadn't ACL
would have totally destroyed the Sky Blues IMHO!
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Insane sisu are by far the more guilty party rfc
 
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Spionkop

New Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #32
It looks bad, going on that lying, moronic set of quotes from Fisher. I know, I know, an understatement.
But it is Wednesday night. The alleged reconvening of the creditor meeting is Friday. Apparently Ann Lucas and Sepalla will be there.
This is likely more bluster from Fisher. Pushing ACL.
The rent on offer is almost a tenth of what it was. With the promise of discussions on a share of F & B. An important consideration because of FFP. Not so much for the actual profits. It seems a real olive branch from ACL. Elsewhere it is reported Huddersfield pay far more rent.
So nothing is decided. But it'll have to be on Friday.
One thing, if we do kick off in Northampton I predict things will get nasty with the fans. In a lawful way. But they will get nasty.
250 crowds at Northampton is the level they've dragged us to.
If needs be I'm sure we can build a new club IN COVENTRY and Sisu Cobblers can rot 30 miles away. That is the ace card WE FANS hold. We'll take back our club. It's OURS.
I'm going to Crawley with very mixed emotions. (I got my tickets direct from club, Sisu don't get a penny).
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #33
Spionkop said:
It looks bad, going on that lying, moronic set of quotes from Fisher. I know, I know, an understatement.
But it is Wednesday night. The alleged reconvening of the creditor meeting is Friday. Apparently Ann Lucas and Sepalla will be there.
This is likely more bluster from Fisher. Pushing ACL.
The rent on offer is almost a tenth of what it was. With the promise of discussions on a share of F & B. An important consideration because of FFP. Not so much for the actual profits. It seems a real olive branch from ACL. Elsewhere it is reported Huddersfield pay far more rent.
So nothing is decided. But it'll have to be on Friday.
One thing, if we do kick off in Northampton I predict things will get nasty with the fans. In a lawful way. But they will get nasty.
250 crowds at Northampton is the level they've dragged us to.
If needs be I'm sure we can build a new club IN COVENTRY and Sisu Cobblers can rot 30 miles away. That is the ace card WE FANS hold. We'll take back our club. It's OURS.
I'm going to Crawley with very mixed emotions. (I got my tickets direct from club, Sisu don't get a penny).
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I would be truely shocked if Lucas and Joy were both there on Fri
 
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Seyeclops666

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  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #34
ccfcway said:
I'd go as far as saying SISU wouldnt accept if ACL paid the to play there !
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Absolutely right.
 

@richh87

Member
  • Jul 31, 2013
  • #35
I just find SISU's disgusting attempts to get their hands on the Ricoh absolutely transparent and sickening.

FFP is a smokescreen.

The council bail out of the mortgage has enabled ACL to offer much better terms, and has given CCFC's home stability. Can Grendle, Edgy, RFC or the like please give their best excuse for why SISU feel the need to sue over the Council's bail-out???

SISU want the Ricoh no matter what it takes, and not for the club, but to help their failed investment to get a return.

I take this kind of underhanded, evil behaviour very personally; and right now I'm thinking:

"You've already killed my football club, now let's take SISU down with us".
 
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