These daily motions from Ainsworth.... (1 Viewer)

[Shooting2win]

Apologies if this has been raised before but I'm struggling to understand what Bob Ainsworth's daily motions are achieving because after the most recent one I haven't seen anything come of them. What are the purpose of them and what do they achieve? Are they likely to be acted upon and who by?

Not knocking him at all just wanted to know what they achieve.

 

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[ohitsaidwalker king power]

I think Bob is doing his best for the City of Coventry as his obligation as an MP of the city; and as a citizen and a fellow sky blue- I walked some of the way close to him on the march and listened, but did not engage with him in conversation. It is clear he's a long lost fan. I also worked alongside him briefly at Jaguar back in the 80's.
However I do think that he has to guard against raising too many motions at too low level- as if he transgresses that line of responsible issue raising- social conditioning will apply to his target audience and an apathy amongst MP's, with an alienation of our cause the result.

"If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack".- Winston Churchill

 

[Hobo]

You have to bring things up a lot in Parliament because half the time people aren't there and those that are, are asleep!

 

[ecky]

Apologies if this has been raised before but I'm struggling to understand what Bob Ainsworth's daily motions are achieving because after the most recent one I haven't seen anything come of them. What are the purpose of them and what do they achieve? Are they likely to be acted upon and who by?

Not knocking him at all just wanted to know what they achieve.

Its good Bob has daily motions,..... better than constipation?

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

Early Day Motions are a kind of petition. They are not anything remotely as dramatic abreaking an issue in parliament, and they almost never go any further. MPs can sign them to show strength of feeling with an issue, and if one was to get a very large number of signatures the Govt might feel pressured into creating some space in the timetable to discuss a matter. Mr Ainsworth has created a number of EDMs about City, the most popular of which received 11 signatures. The last EDM (greg Clarke and the FL not fit to run football) received 4 signatures in total (Bob, Jim Cunnngham, one Labour MP and one MP currently not allowed to take the LibDem whip), the new EDM has one signatory to date.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/p...dm-member-detail/?session=2013-14&member=3608

Last week an EDM commenting on the death of poet Seamus Heaney received 113 Signatures.

 

[ecky]

Early Day Motions are a kind of petition. They are not anything remotely as dramatic abreaking an issue in parliament, and they almost never go any further. MPs can sign them to show strength of feeling with an issue, and if one was to get a very large number of signatures the Govt might feel pressured into creating some space in the timetable to discuss a matter. Mr Ainsworth has created a number of EDMs about City, the most popular of which received 11 signatures. The last EDM (greg Clarke and the FL not fit to run football) received 4 signatures in total (Bob, Jim Cunnngham, one Labour MP and one MP currently not allowed to take the LibDem whip), the new EDM has one signatory to date.

In other words a load of hot air which achieves nothing really

http://www.parliament.uk/business/p...dm-member-detail/?session=2013-14&member=3608

Last week an EDM commenting on the death of poet Seamus Heaney received 113 Signatures.

 

[chiefdave]

could it be that Bob is making sure this is all officially recorded somewhere so it can be referenced at some future point if and when someone decides to take action against SISU?

 

[Grendel]

could it be that Bob is making sure this is all officially recorded somewhere so it can be referenced at some future point if and when someone decides to take action against SISU?

I think that gives our former MOD man far too much credit.

 

[thaiskyblue]

Why is it that some people seem to want to have a go at bob ainsworth, but backed up a nobody euro mep in nikki sinclair, bizzare ?

 

[sky blue john]

Why is it that some people seem to want to have a go at bob ainsworth, but backed up a nobody euro mep in nikki sinclair, bizzare ?

Its because he's upsetting the gmk Sisu loving clan !!!!!

 

[Grendel]

Its because he's upsetting the gmk Sisu loving clan !!!!!

Looking at a report on ainsworth's expense claims he should apply for a job with them.

 

[italiahorse]

Needs keeping in the public eye until fully investigated.
We need to know what happened and was it legal.

Personally we need to get rid of SISU and a public hanging is always good.

 

[sky blue john]

Looking at a report on ainsworth's expense claims he should apply for a job with them.

Keep your deflection tactics up your doing a good job for your cause !!
Maybe one day you will get the call to lick queen sepellas boots !!!

 

[Grendel]

Keep your deflection tactics up your doing a good job for your cause !!
Maybe one day you will get the call to lick queen sepellas boots !!!

Nice to know he has never deviated from his working class roots - top of the league for second home expense claims one yera;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...insworths-repairs-cost-the-taxpayer-5925.html

 

[jaytskyblue]

Grendel are implying Mr.Ainsworth has defrauded on his expenses?
If yes, prove it
if no, what is the problem if he was due the expenses.

 

[skybluetony176]

Nice to know he has never deviated from his working class roots - top of the league for second home expense claims one yera;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...insworths-repairs-cost-the-taxpayer-5925.html

a bit like the FL rules the Parlimentary rules are/were a sham and open for abuse.

however yet again you are changing the subject. if you want to discuss MP's expense claims i suggest you start in new topic about it in the off topic section.

 

[Grendel]

Grendel are implying Mr.Ainsworth has defrauded on his expenses?
If yes, prove it
if no, what is the problem if he was due the expenses.

Oh I agree with you. Same for a company that operates within the law (and if they have never been prosecuted you must assume that) regardless of moral standards its perfectly acceptable they behave how they want - within the law. Do you agree?

 

[jaytskyblue]

On the subject, Bob Ainsworth is asking the questions many Coventry fans want to hear answers to., so well done.
We here a lot of moaning, rightly, about the goings on previous regimes...right now we should encourage scrutiny of our current owners. Here and now.

Seeing some on here and GMK trying to blame previous regimes, whilst criticising Bob Ainsworth for questioning Sisu is hypocritical nonsense.

 

[italiahorse]

Nice to know he has never deviated from his working class roots - top of the league for second home expense claims one yera;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...insworths-repairs-cost-the-taxpayer-5925.html

All in the public domain, unlike crucial SISU accounts and asset transfers.

 

[Grendel]

a bit like the FL rules the Parlimentary rules are/were a sham and open for abuse.

however yet again you are changing the subject. if you want to discuss MP's expense claims i suggest you start in new topic about it in the off topic section.

No it's on topic I'm exploring the principal of operating within a legal framework and if that makes an organisation or individuals behaviour acceptable.

 

[Kingokings204]

Quick answer here : NAFF ALL

 

[skybluetony176]

again, if you want to discuss the principal of operating within a legal framework and if that makes an organisation or individuals behaviour acceptable start your own topic in of topic.

this topic is about These daily motions from Ainsworth....

 

[italiahorse]

No it's on topic I'm exploring the principal of operating within a legal framework and if that makes an organisation or individuals behaviour acceptable.

I would say that you are trying to put down a guy who is keeping our hopes going on sorting out this mess and getting us back to Coventry.
The topic is what he is saying not what he does legally in his job.
As to is what SISU doing above board legally and morally? I can't comment because I have not seen the relevant accounts that would tell the story.

 

[jaytskyblue]

Oh I agree with you. Same for a company that operates within the law (and if they have never been prosecuted you must assume that) regardless of moral standards its perfectly acceptable they behave how they want - within the law. Do you agree?

MPs expenses are now published and formally scrutinised.
When Sisu declare accounts, when Bob Ainsworth questions are answered, and when the admin and liquidation process is scrutinised - who knows. But scrutiny should be encouraged.

 

[torchomatic]

I don't think Grendel is saying that. And I'm not. I'm just pleased I helped pay to install oak beams on his ceiling.

Grendel are implying Mr.Ainsworth has defrauded on his expenses?
If yes, prove it
if no, what is the problem if he was due the expenses.

 

[torchomatic]

Why doesn't Ainsworth do something outside of parliament instead of hiding behind PP?

 

[jaytskyblue]

Either you want scrutiny of our Owners and what they have been doing re CCFC or you don't.

I want the scrutiny.

 

[sky blue john]

I don't think Grendel is saying that. And I'm not. I'm just pleased I helped pay to install oak beams on his ceiling.

So you and Grendel are happy to pay his expenses as long as he doesn't rock the Sisu boat and we stay at sixfields ????????

 

[italiahorse]

Why doesn't Ainsworth do something outside of parliament instead of hiding behind PP?

..... because the little man has to have a say against these big companies that exploit vulnerable companies and people.
That use their financial and legal muscle to make it prohibitive for normal people and cash starved local authorities and companies to argue their corner.
Similar to my experience with Holiday Insurance where although it was a clear case through the courts my Home legal Insurance refused to proceed because they had to put up a £1M bond into the court before the case started to match the bound that the Holiday Insurance company had set and had put in.
SISU do this daily and I guess CCFC is just one of many.

 

[njdlawyer]

No-one outside of Coventry and its immediate environs care two hoots about SISU / Otium / Sixfields etc. I doubt whether the vast majority of football fans even know (or care) about the issues involved

At least Bob Ainsworth is doing his best to extend the profile of the club's plight, at least he is maintaining pressure to the limit of his resources upon SISU / Appleton etc and at least he is ensuring negative publicity, all be it locally only, for SISU and the FL every time he lays down a motion

Most on this site (self included) limit our efforts to non-attendance at Sixfields and contributions to this site neither of which are likely to impact upon public opinion and knowledge

 

[torchomatic]

Nothing to do with SISU you fool. I think it's about time you stopped with the childish "SISU lover" crap every time you can't think of anything else to say. No one loves SISU. No one wants to pay at Sixfields.

As for Ainsworth. No I'm not happy for him to get £104000 and at the same time charge the taxpayer for unnecessary oak beams to be put on his ceiling. Or trying to get a £1000 tele on expenses. Or a sofa for £2500. That goes for all MPs, not just the him. You're obviously happy with that, good for you.

So you and Grendel are happy to pay his expenses as long as he doesn't rock the Sisu boat and we stay at sixfields ????????

 

[torchomatic]

Whistling in the wind, I'm afraid, but yes at least he is doing something. He would be better served trying to get both sides together though no matter how remote that seems. All the EDM in the world won't change a thing. It seems SISU don't mind soaking up the bad publicity.

No-one outside of Coventry and its immediate environs care two hoots about SISU / Otium / Sixfields etc. I doubt whether the vast majority of football fans even know (or care) about the issues involved

At least Bob Ainsworth is doing his best to extend the profile of the club's plight, at least he is maintaining pressure to the limit of his resources upon SISU / Appleton etc and at least he is ensuring negative publicity, all be it locally only, for SISU and the FL every time he lays down a motion

Most on this site (self included) limit our efforts to non-attendance at Sixfields and contributions to this site neither of which are likely to impact upon public opinion and knowledge

 

[jesus-wept]

The basic problem with Gendel and torchy is envy. Envious of a local boy made good. in the past they have knocked Richard Keys, Joe Elliott, Gary Hoffman, Ainsworth, perhaps they don't realise Jim Cunningham MP is just as involved too, have they checked his expenses aswell so they can have a pop at him. Mind you he's Scottish so not local as such. Yet as pointed out were pretty upbeat about the involvement from local MEP Nikki Sinclair....strange.

 

[Grendel]

The basic problem with Gendel and torchy is envy. Envious of a local boy made good. in the past they have knocked Richard Keys, Joe Elliott, Gary Hoffman, Ainsworth, perhaps they don't realise Jim Cunningham MP is just as involved too, have they checked his expenses aswell so they can have a pop at him. Mind you he's Scottish so not local as such. Yet as pointed out were pretty upbeat about the involvement from local MEP Nikki Sinclair....strange.

I think his quote at the end is the best;

“I can state in all honesty that I acted within the spirit and letter of the rules. However the problem is, of course, that the rules were not good rules.
“We now must act to change this.”

Paul Appleton acted within the rules didn't he?

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

I think his quote at the end is the best;

“I can state in all honesty that I acted within the spirit and letter of the rules. However the problem is, of course, that the rules were not good rules.
“We now must act to change this.”

Paul Appleton acted within the rules didn't he?

Or has selective amnesia in the depth of his obligation toward the rules?