The system we have played

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  1. Nick

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    Anybody else think it isn't working very well?

    Hiwalu is wasted hugging the touchline, both Baka and biamou have been isolated on their own both games rather than having the other 2 forwards play off them

    Bayliss is often very deep.
     
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    We don't have the players for it at the moment and it doesn't fit the majority of our signings. Bizarre that this is the first choice.
     
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    Yes, from what I've seen the system isn't working at all.

    I would argue our 3 best players are Ogogo, Andreu, and Bayliss (not including the defence). I would play them as a middle three.

    With their creation and flowing football the numbers are fIlled up I cannot see how we can fit a target man in there.

    As I just put on another thread I think we should go something like a 4-1-4-1. It means Doyle, Kelly, Biamou, and JCH aren't in the team but it just goes to show how many players we have. It's even more difficult when you try to pick one striker out of the eleventy billion we have got, but unless you put someone out of position on the right or left, some of our better players will need to be left out.
     
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    .........................Hiwalu
    ............. Andreu. Bakayoko
    Mason Oggogo Bayliss Sterling
    ....... Brown. Davies. Grimmer
    ......................... Burge
    Like to see something like this given a go, mason and sterling can track back when needed or get forward & help keep the pressure on , and plenty of attacking options to feed Hiwalu, and andreu / Baka in and around it to score too
    I’d like to see Allassani in their, in place if mason, as he has looked good preseason.
     
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    Agreed that it's not really working. We do have an imbalance at the moment in terms of lots of forwards and central midfielders, either attacking or defensive. Atm we're playing two defensive central midfielders, two attacking midfielders and a striker in a midfield 5....as I put on the match thread, I would give this a go:


    --------------------Hiwula-------Biamou-------------------
    --------------------------Andreu--------------------------
    --------------Shipley ------------- -Bayliss--------------
    ---------------------------Ogogo--------------------------
    -Brown----------Davies-------Willis -----Grimmer---
    ---------------------------Burge-------------------------------


    I'd give Biamou and Hiwula a go as a strike partnership. Then a midfield 4 with Ogogo but not Doyle-one of Bayliss or Andreu alongside him, perhaps one out wide until Jones is fit, Shipley on the left but fairly narrow to help out in the middle, Brown giving a bit of width outside him from full back, Grimmer doing the same other flank. Kinda a diamond lite. Perhaps bring Kelly in away for either a forward or Andreu/Bayliss.
     
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    We were lucky last season jones got injured and we switched to 442
     
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    I agree and would play this based on current available.

    Hiwula Biamou
    Andreu
    Doyle Ogogo Bayliss
    Mason Willis Davies Grimmer
    LOB

    When all fit

    Hiwula Biamou jones
    Andreu
    Kelly Ogogo
    Mason Willis Davies Grimmer
    Burge
     
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    Yes I like the look of that. 2 def mids leaves us short further up the field.
     
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    2 games.

    Any Football Manager player worth his own salt knows it takes at least 5-6 games to bed a new system.
     
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    Anyone got the Diablo formation for L1 this season? Let MR know if so!
     
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    We started the season with Beavon and McNulty up front last season in a 442 if memory serves correct. We weren't lucky that jodi got injured. How is that lucky?
     
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    Didn't work in pre season either
     
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    Some absolute whoppers on here today, first of all we're secretly hoping Andreu gets injured so we can switch formation, now we were lucky our best player fucked his knee last season.
     
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    I'd persist with 4-2-3-1 for at least 10 games but for me there are 4 key things that need tweaking within it.

    1. Doyle can't play first halves. He's just too slow now (or at least everyone else in L1 is quicker and stronger) and he's chasing shadows off the ball. Don't think he's won a 50-50 in either first half against Scunthorpe or Wimbledon and it makes him redundant in that formation, where it's a key role to turn over possession and feed the 3 in front of him. Kelly needs to come in for him as soon as he's fully fit. Have a feeling it would make Ogogo look better too as he won' t be doing the running for 2.
    2. We need to stop dropping Bayliss so deep when we're not in possession, we end up with 3 defensive midfielders. He's a great player but he's being asked to play 2 roles and it turns it into a 4-3-3. He needs to be play higher so we have another option to pass to when we do win the ball back, currently most of our attacks are either counter attacks or long balls and this should help reduce that.
    3. Hiwula's starting position needs to be 5-10 yards inside. So that Mason has more space to go into and Hiwula isn't forced to cut inside - he's looked his most dangerous when straight down the middle
    4. The whole team needs to play 10/15 yards higher up the pitch - O'Brien is always rooted to his line, the defence drop very deep because of it and that sucks the defensive midfielders back too. 4-2-3-1 is a formation for neat passing moves but we're so deep as a team that the gap between the 2 DMs and the forwards in the 3-1 are stretched, making it harder to play neat football.

    I'd get that right for a run of games before we start switching formations. Off the ball we're set up like this so it's easy to see why we look so disjointed when we do get the ball:
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    I was thinking the same.

    It should be a formation that fits the players not players fitting into a formation.

    When you have players fitting a system they generally play out of position and it does not work.

    I think Robins current formation has players not playing in positions that they are comfortable in.

    He also complained about our attack in the two games yet he’s only playing 1 up front!

    Honestly frustrating to play only 1 up front at home.

    Robins needs to be more positive- we have the players to be bolder-MR needs to go for it.


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    I have this feeling of deja vu all over again.
     
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    The bottom line is we’ve had to sell a goal scoring centre forward - have retained a 1 in 8 centre forward and signed another with no history of goals.
     
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    We may have done that Grendel but if even if you have a 1 in 2 striker they won’t score playing on the wing.


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    Mcsheffrey did
     
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    Hopefullt he was joking.

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    I think that game when Beavon and McNulty played up front we got the most crosses across into the box in a game than we did all season.
     
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    Don't think it can be written off quite yet, players still learning to play together and getting to fitness
     
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    Usual well reasoned argument
     
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    The thing with the current system is how exposed it leaves the full backs, if we had Brown in and maybe Grimmer on the other side we may not be as attacking but more solid at the back then and Bayliss / Hiwalu can concentrate on attacking.
     
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    Who's the new left back? :)
     
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    Little Sheff was never really an out and out striker though . More a number 10.

    A bit like George Thomas. Too slow to be a winger and not prolific enough as a striker.


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    Not to say I don’t agree-he did score while playing out wide.


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    We became a team rather than a one horse outfit. I slightly dread his return. He is very undisciplined
     
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    You dread Jones’ return? Alright he’s hardly Messi but he’s one of the few game changers we have
     
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    In short, we have started this season totally unprepared, We’ve sold our best striker and not replaced him. We have gone out and bought a couple of players that can only be described as panic buys. And for some unbeknown reason we have offered a contract to JCH and a contract extension to Biamou who weren’t good enough for league 2 let alone league 1.
    Our players don’t yet look fit enough having had an extended break (which is unforgivable) and MR dosnt seem to know which is his best 11 or which formation works best. By the time this squad is ready to perform, we may be so behind the pace setters that any chance of being competitive will be over.
    We may only be 2 games into the season, but I only hope we aren’t a dozen games into it before we actually turn up and perform.
     
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    -------------Burge---------
    Sterling--Davies---Willis--Brown
    --------------Ogogo-----------
    Bayliss---------------Andreu
    ---------------Jones-----------
    Biamou-------------Chaplin :p
     
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    I'd add to that, the lack of runners running in and behind the central striker. That's what worked so well last season, McNulty would run off Biamou and break in behind, and vice versa. At the minute, Andreu, Bayliss and Hiwula all want to from deep in front of the back 4, yes they do some nice intricate passing at times but its too deep to hurt teams.

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    Agree with a lot of that, but teams come from lower down to finish well all the time. Even if it takes us until Oct Nov to gel, we are still in with a shout.
     

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