Nick
Administrator
Why is that the standard response to everything?
The rest either need to form another Trust, be part of the current Trust, or just stopping moaning they're not being heard.
I honestly don't get all the shit people give them. I'm a member, I turn up to meetings every now and then, I even get frustrated enough to say something occasionally... but I don't have the time (or don't make the time) to be involved any further. So i dont complain about them, as far as I can tell they give up a lot of their spare time to do what they think is right for the club. If I did have time, I know that my help would be welcome. Every member I have met, whether I agree with them or not, have been sound with me... and would be the same with you.
Here we go ?How can he get fans to do that?
This just seems like Preston Haskell Part 2.
Here we go ?
wether you agree with nopm or not you must understand the thinking behind it?
I think everyone's missing the key words from this piece - 'waiting for contact from Joy'.
I'd be very surprised if she picks up the phone and goes "Hey, Gaz and your Trusty chums, I want £xxm for this parasite of a club...now crack on and come back to me"
So how can they get fans to make any difference or apply pressure?
Not really a complicated question.
The consortium are just building up ties so if ever Sisu release the stranglehold it hits the ground running. Similar with Wasps/ACL where once it happens everything like long term deal / academy etc is all in place.So how can they get fans to make any difference or apply pressure?
Not really a complicated question.
2 options.
1. Sit back and do nothing - Outcome is "as you were"
2. Try and do something - Outcome is anything from success to "as you were"
Not saying I support any of the specific attempts to destabilise the owners, but 100% understand why people are doing it.
Surely number 1 isn't an option for any ccfc fan ?
Whilst I agree with you to a degree aren't the possibilities from Option 1 also anyhting from as you were to sisu sell?2 options.
1. Sit back and do nothing - Outcome is "as you were"
2. Try and do something - Outcome is anything from success to "as you were"
Not saying I support any of the specific attempts to destabilise the owners, but 100% understand why people are doing it.
Surely number 1 isn't an option for any ccfc fan ?
The consortium are just building up ties so if ever Sisu release the stranglehold it hits the ground running. Similar with Wasps/ACL where once it happens everything like long term deal / academy etc is all in place.
Jos/Sisu are not talking,so dare we mention that without you putting their case forward for them ?
It's not a "standard response". If you want to have a say, the trust is a viable media to do so.Why is that the standard response to everything?
I haven't mentioned NOPM or it's workings. I just asked how Hoffman working with the Trust could be used to put pressure on SISU and how fans can help.
2 options.
1. Sit back and do nothing - Outcome is "as you were"
2. Try and do something - Outcome is anything from success to "as you were"
Not saying I support any of the specific attempts to destabilise or engage with the owners, but 100% understand why people are doing it.
Surely number 1 isn't an option for any ccfc fan ?
if the trust continue to champion nopm and more and more fans start doing it then at some point it might make sisu more likely to sell up and go as they see no light at end of tunnel investment wise.
wether that would happen or not its the logic behind fan pressure. the consortium wont do much but release statements to keep fans aware they are ready and waiting.
Why is it crap?Do you think the consortium hadn't spoken to the trust at all until now? Yet they leaked crap to people like you and others?
Very strange.
Why is it crap?
What's the threat to you in all this?
Your doing a wonderful job in slagging off everybody except Sisu.
What's all this crap about the consortium should put more money in for something worth half of what they have offered ?
Do you want Sisu out or not ??
yeah thats a good question. why is crap? its as if you dislike the consortium nick
everytime someone tells you how fan pressure could possibly work you reply with
interesting.
imo it was obvious from the off that this was about winning fans for this "takeover war"
hence the pick your sides stuff from day 1
if sisu wont speak with them then i guess plan b is get fans protesting
i would say there is no other way. even nopm is going to struggle to oust sisu for a few years or so
I did spot that, was a bit random but it leaves things open...
34 miles awaywere those 3 teams ever in as dire a situation as cov though? had they ever moved 26 miles away for an entire season etc?
I'm a mid-90s joiner to the sky blue army, so missed that.
I mean I look at similar sized clubs - Norwich, Southampton and Leicester (before Thai billions), they managed to maintain bigger gates even in League one. Granted a number of clubs have us and downs, but any loss of hope our fans seem to desert in droves.
I know we're poor but I've been told you support your team through thick and thin, at this time exceptionally thin
The Trust has never championed or supported NOPM - we have said time and time again that it is up to the individual to decide. The idea behind announcing things now that we have been in discussions with Hoffman et al is that at some point (hopefully sooner rather than later) we will be approaching the fans with a proposal of a community share issue as part of a new offer to SISU. We didnt want it to suddenly come out of the blue and hopefully there may be some other high net worth individuals who might see that the consortium and the fans (well those who don't mind being represented by the Trust) are working together on a deal and might be of a mind to join in. There are a few issues to discuss and agree with the consortium but nothing drastic before we can launch the community share issue. The idea is NOT that the Trust will somehow rally the fans into storming SISU towers and force Joy to sign over the club but more to show that the potential new owners want to truly involve the fans following a similar ownership model to the Portsmouth one.
This isn't going to happen overnight and this is just the first step towards a joint bid but as Lao Tzu said "a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step".
Fan funding is a way, but then if they are now going to ask the fans to chip in it goes against the "208m" line that's been thrown out there from the guy in Stratford. I don't expect him (or hoffman) to throw every penny they have had ever in, far from it.
If however they need fans to get involved with money then spit it out even just with something official where people can "pledge" what they can put in.
Richard Overson had a rallying cry for fans the other week, but he didn't actually say what he wanted fans to do.
The Trust has never championed or supported NOPM - we have said time and time again that it is up to the individual to decide. The idea behind announcing things now that we have been in discussions with Hoffman et al is that at some point (hopefully sooner rather than later) we will be approaching the fans with a proposal of a community share issue as part of a new offer to SISU. We didnt want it to suddenly come out of the blue and hopefully there may be some other high net worth individuals who might see that the consortium and the fans (well those who don't mind being represented by the Trust) are working together on a deal and might be of a mind to join in. There are a few issues to discuss and agree with the consortium but nothing drastic before we can launch the community share issue. The idea is NOT that the Trust will somehow rally the fans into storming SISU towers and force Joy to sign over the club but more to show that the potential new owners want to truly involve the fans following a similar ownership model to the Portsmouth one.
This isn't going to happen overnight and this is just the first step towards a joint bid but as Lao Tzu said "a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step".
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