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Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #36
Evo1883 said:
Ok il give you his entire career so far if it makes you feel better

8147 minutes played total
27 goals

1 goal every 3.35 games
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How many games has he figured in?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #37
stupot07 said:
Bit a both I think. The formation doesnt suit our players (e.g. Hiwula certainly isn't a left winger), and I think Robin's is a bit negative, for a striker he seems more worried about conceding than he does about scoring goals. Last season in a 4231 he only really allowed us to attack with 4, not we're playing 433 we're only really attacking with 3, and looking for midfielders to score 20 yard yarders. Personally in league one and two, defenders are rubbish, I'd like to see 2 up top and put them under pressure, get some width and get balls in box. Too many times today we were too narrow trying to pass our way through the middle trying to score the perfect goal.

A few of our players arent good enough - bakayoko isn't, hiwula isn't as a left winger and as much as I like biamou, he is a foil not a goal scorer. And we

We really miss thomas and Bright, they made things happen. I cant believe some think we're a better side now than the one we ended the season with.

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Don't forget Bayliss

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Evo1883

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #38
Grendel said:
How many games has he figured in?
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It doesn't matter Grendel, because he could feature for 6 minutes.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #39
Just checked it’s actually a goal in every 9 games
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #40
Evo1883 said:
It doesn't matter Grendel, because he could feature for 6 minutes.
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It does matter because according to you Jonathan Agnew is a better batsman than Geoffrey Boycott
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #41
Grendel said:
Just checked it’s actually a goal in every 9 games
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Ok just to suit your argument which is the least fair way of doing it we will say he's a 1 in 9 goal striker
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #42
Grendel said:
It does matter because according to you Jonathan Agnew is a better batsman than Geoffrey Boycott
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I don't know anything about cricket so couldn't even debate this with you

What you are saying is if a player plays 80 minutes and scores 1 goal and a player who plays 10 minutes every week gets 1 goal, they've been given the same chance to show their ability and must be regarded as equal... Which is anything but a fair argument to make

You know it, I know it, but you won't admit it because it doesn't suit your argument
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #43
Evo1883 said:
It doesn't matter Grendel, because he could feature for 6 minutes.
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Indeed and in 6 minutes he may score two goals on one occasion in his career
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #44
Evo1883 said:
I don't know anything about cricket so couldn't even debate this with you
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Boycott was a top batsmen and Agnew was a bowler and a terrible batsman
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #45
Grendel said:
Boycott was a top batsmen and Agnew was a bowler and a terrible batsman
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If over 46 games a striker gets a goal a game but played 80 minutes a match is offered to you or a striker who scores a goal a game but played 10 mins a match... Who would you want
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #46
There might be some meltdowns but there is also a lot of defensive work trying to gloss over today. Some of the excuses being thrown around are desperate.

A blip against a team lower in the league happens, failing to score and beat a boys team is a totally different thing.

Today was fucking embarrassing, I just hope the coaching staff use it as a wake up call and take action.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #47
Evo1883 said:
If over 46 games a striker gets a goal a game but played 80 minutes a match is offered to you or a striker who scores a goal a game but played 10 mins a match... Who would you want
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Pointless example, playing into Grendel's earlier example. That Wayne Andrews bloke that Mickey Adams brought to score the winner at Barnsley scored once in 10 minutes. His goal per minute played was great even though he was terrible.

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #48
Evo1883 said:
If over 46 games a striker gets a goal a game but played 80 minutes a match is offered to you or a striker who scores a goal a game but played 10 mins a match... Who would you want
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The answer still probably wouldn't be Bakayoko, my love.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #49
fernandopartridge said:
Pointless example, playing into Grendel's earlier example. That Wayne Andrews bloke that Mickey Adams brought to score the winner at Barnsley scored once in 10 minutes. His goal per minute played was great even though he was terrible.

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My word this is insane, you'd pick the striker who scored a goal every 10 minutes over a 46 game season
 

fatso

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #50
I think (fucking hope) Allen and Godden are going to be vital players for us this season, what we’ve learnt already after only 2 games, is that although we have a big squad, quality in depth is lacking, we will need to be at full strength to be competitive.
The worrying thing is that the deficiencies from last season (lack of creativity and goals) has not been addressed.
The window is still open for us to make additions, and we desperately need to use it before more easy points go begging.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #51
fernandopartridge said:
Pointless example, playing into Grendel's earlier example. That Wayne Andrews bloke that Mickey Adams brought to score the winner at Barnsley scored once in 10 minutes. His goal per minute played was great even though he was terrible.

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Ok how about this

I play 130 games for Coventry city and score 1 goal , during those 130 games I was substituted on every match with 30 seconds to go.



Is it fair to call me a 1 in 130 striker despite playing just 65 minutes over the course of 130 games
 

CanadianCCFC

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #52
Jobello, Bakayoko and Biamou all scored today.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #53
CanadianCCFC said:
Jobello, Bakayoko and Biamou all scored today.
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None of them counted.

2 are invalid as they were offside. 1 was probably a harsh decision.

If 1 harsh decision stops us from beating a children's team then it's pretty worrying.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #54
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
None of them counted.

2 are invalid as they were offside. 1 was probably a harsh decision.

If 1 harsh decision stops us from beating a children's team then it's pretty worrying.
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that's fair comment, but if you go with that take on things then people can't start going an about Southend should have scored last week and they nearly got a draw when they didn't and we won 1-0, you can't have it both ways.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #55
clint van damme said:
that's fair comment, but if you go with that take on things then people can't start going an about Southend should have scored last week and they nearly got a draw when they didn't and we won 1-0, you can't have it both ways.
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Seems that the only thing that would have been acceptable today is a 5/6-0 win.
 

stupot07

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #56
Evo1883 said:
Ok how about this

I play 130 games for Coventry city and score 1 goal , during those 130 games I was substituted on every match with 30 seconds to go.



Is it fair to call me a 1 in 130 striker despite playing just 65 minutes over the course of 130 games
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Would that make you a better striker who than someone who started 40 games and has scored 20 goals at around 180 mins per goal over a season?

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cc84cov

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #57
As someone said earlier last seasons side would of beat Bolton with ease today
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #58
stupot07 said:
Would that make you a better striker who than someone who started 40 games and has scored 20 goals at around 180 mins per goal over a season?

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It would mean that based on the average time played my ratio was better.

That's all this is, the argument was calling Bakayoko a 1 in 9 striker but my argument was that during that time he's scored a goal every 301 minutes, a perfectly reasonable and well accepted stat by sites like bbc and sky sports, yet to prove an argument on here that a player is shit people won't use it.

You can't on one hand praise Chaplin like some do, then slate Bakayoko despite Bakayoko having a better ratio in similar games played in terms of minutes played last season .. Its nonsensical
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #59
Evo1883 said:
Seems that the only thing that would have been acceptable today is a 5/6-0 win.
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No, any sort of win would have been fine, but the key part is that we should have won. We were playing against a hastily thrown together youth team. We won't play an easier game all season.
 
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stupot07

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #60
Evo1883 said:
It would mean that based on the average time played my ratio was better.

That's all this is, the argument was calling Bakayoko a 1 in 9 striker but my argument was that during that time he's scored a goal every 301 minutes, a perfectly reasonable and well accepted stat by sites like bbc and sky sports, yet to prove an argument on here that a player is shit people won't use it.

You can't on one hand praise Chaplin like some do, then slate Bakayoko despite Bakayoko having a better ratio in similar games played in terms of minutes played last season .. Its nonsensical
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Hes scored 16 goals in 126 league appearance. Hes shite.

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clint van damme

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #61
cc84cov said:
As someone said earlier last seasons side would of beat Bolton with ease today
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The team that played 3 of the bottom 6 in their first 5 games and got 4 points?
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #62
stupot07 said:
Hes scored 16 goals in 126 league appearance. Hes shite.

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Like I said before, if we use this logic, Cyril Regis was shit for city
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #63
stupot07 said:
Hes scored 16 goals in 126 league appearance. Hes shite.

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Yep that’s about the strength of it
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #64
Evo1883 said:
Like I said before, if we use this logic, Cyril Regis was shit for city
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For his first two seasons he was abysmal and he admitted it
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #65
clint van damme said:
that's fair comment, but if you go with that take on things then people can't start going an about Southend should have scored last week and they nearly got a draw when they didn't and we won 1-0, you can't have it both ways.
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Yes, but I would class Southend and Bolton's youth as two totally separate things.

Sure, Southend should have been fucked harder, but those cats today should have been put down after half an hour.
 

Evo1883

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #66
Grendel said:
For his first two seasons he was abysmal and he admitted it
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So the 19 goals in the 120 games in his last 3 seasons were Alot better right

As stu would say ... He was shit
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #67
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Yes, but I would class Southend and Bolton's youth as two totally separate things.

Sure, Southend should have been fucked harder, but those cats today should have been put down after half an hour.
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I don't disagree, we should have won, but our season won't be defined by one result today no matter how disappointing.
Some of the comments on here are embarrassing:

Worst result in our history.
Like Man City losing to Nuneaton

Cunts need to get a grip.
 

cc84cov

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #68
clint van damme said:
The team that played 3 of the bottom 6 in their first 5 games and got 4 points?
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Ok the team that finished the season second half of it
 

clint van damme

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #69
cc84cov said:
Ok the team that finished the season second half of it
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won 3 drew 1 lost 2
 
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cc84cov

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  • Aug 10, 2019
  • #70
Interested to see how we fair next week against Bristol Rovers see where we are at.
 
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