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covcity4life

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #421
still bad news as seems council/wasps are getting rdy to call off talks and blame sisu
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #422
covcity4life said:
still bad news as seems council/wasps are getting rdy to call off talks and blame sisu
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Not sure there is any evidence of that. Council have nothing to do with it!
 

covcity4life

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #423
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
Not sure there is any evidence of that. Council have nothing to do with it!
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council are wasps, wont make decisions without confirming with each other
 

Liquid Gold

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #424
OffenhamSkyBlue said:
Not sure there is any evidence of that. Council have nothing to do with it!
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Pete in Portugal

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #425
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Live: European Commission Ricoh complaint is 'not legal action'

Complaint made in feb, apparently now its 'not' legal action
Just what the fuck is going on
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Sisu have made a complaint to the EC, so firstly, the EC will decide if they think the complaint warrants investigation. If it is, the EC will conduct the investigation and also decide what remedial action is required, if appropriate. The EC will keep the complainant (Sisu), informed of progress on a regular basis. If remedial action is being contemplated, Sisu may be invited to comment. Once the process has been completed by the EC, they may possibly check with Sisu whether they agree that no further action is required by the EC and the complaint can be closed. Other than these minor consultations, Sisu will not be involved. As you can see, this is very different from Sisu taking legal action.

The above is based on my experience of making a complaint to the EC against the UK Government for maladministration.
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #426
oldskyblue58 said:
meetings attended to aid the investigation, travel time to Brussels etc etc by both sides ?
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To be fair Coventry Council are notorious for trying to avoid wasting taxpayers money on trips to Europe. Not like they disappear off to Cannes every year and then refuse to report back on their visit.
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #427
jordan210 said:

Sounds more and more like a PR exercise to blame Sisu for everything again
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The more Gilbert responds on twitter justifying releasing this 'news' yesterday the more it seems he's been played.

His comment about taking it to Europe is inaccurate isn't it? This isn't the legal case SISU lost recently being appealed to Europe.
 

Pete in Portugal

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #428
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Coventry City's proposed Ricoh Arena return blocked by European Commission

All the optimism gone within the space of 24 hours. Fuck every party involved in destroying our football club
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The headline is very misleading, so let's get this straight. It's the insects that have blocked further talks. Presumably because Sisu made a complaint to the EC that the CCC broke the EU rules when selling the Ricoh to the insects. The point is that Sisu have not made a complaint to the EC about the insects. They were simply the beneficiaries of the alleged breach by CCC. This seems to me like pretty thin basis for discontinuing talks. Unless of course the insects have some reason to fear the EC investigation into circumstances around their purchase of the Ricoh?
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #429
Pete in Portugal said:
The headline is very misleading, so let's get this straight. It's the insects that have blocked further talks. Presumably because Sisu made a complaint to the EC that the CCC broke the EU rules when selling the Ricoh to the insects. The point is that Sisu have not made a complaint to the EC about the insects. They were simply the beneficiaries of the alleged breach by CCC. This seems to me like pretty thin basis for discontinuing talks. Unless of course the insects have some reason to fear the EC investigation into circumstances around their purchase of the Ricoh?
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Club released statement saying talks are ongoing so its all turned out to be bullshit from Gilbert
 

Pete in Portugal

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #430
Evo1883 said:
So as it stands there is no actual reason why negotiations can't continue or am I missing something?

How can somebody in Brussels stop us playing football in a stadium in Coventry?
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Exactly!
 

Pete in Portugal

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #431
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Gilbert now saying that all parties only found out this week in regards to the complaint, making it up as he goes along
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Well that is possible, because the EC may have only recently decided to investigate the complaint. CCC may not have found out about it until they were notified of the EC intention to open an investigation..
 

jordan210

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #432
This is a fun thread to watch unfold


 
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chiefdave

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #433
jordan210 said:
This is a fun thread to watch unfold
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He's not wrong. The Lucas thing infuriates me. How you can openly and repeatedly lie to the public and there not be any comeback when you're found out is beyond me. Tried complaining to the local government ombudsman about it only to be told you can't file a complaint about something like that as it doesn't impact you as an individual.
 
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chiefdave

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #434
Gilbert said:
I've consistently held all to account on this
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Seems he's been out in the sun too long and has got sunstroke.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #435
Sisu’s complaint to the commission is not a legal process per se.

“The European Commission is in charge of policing state rules, so Sisu’s complaint is very much like referring someone – in this case Coventry City Council – to the police.

“It is probably fair to say, therefore, that Sisu are not bringing any legal action against the Wasps.”
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #436
Weren’t Simon Gilbert part of the cover up of the ACL sale because “it was public interest”
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #437
Law Expert on the Telegraph site:

Sisu’s complaint to the commission is not a legal process per se.

“The European Commission is in charge of policing state rules, so Sisu’s complaint is very much like referring someone – in this case Coventry City Council – to the police.

“It is probably fair to say, therefore, that Sisu are not bringing any legal action against the Wasps.”
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So effectively, in February they just tried to grass the council up.

It sounds like it is reporting somebody to a governing body, no different to people shouting at the EFL is it?

Tell you what though, I bet the news about the council's bullying culture has been buried and forgotten
 

chiefdave

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #438
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Weren’t Simon Gilbert part of the cover up of the ACL sale because “it was public interest”
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That was when Reid was there, he didn't agree with their decision to cover it up and got pushed out. Not sure if Gilbert was there in a more junior role prior to taking Reid's place.

If you ask him about it on twitter he claims to have no knowledge about it, bit strange for someone who's written a book about the whole saga.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #439
Andy Goode all over it as well, standard Wasps PR guy.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #440
chiefdave said:
That was when Reid was there, he didn't agree with their decision to cover it up and got pushed out. Not sure if Gilbert was there in a more junior role prior to taking Reid's place.

If you ask him about it on twitter he claims to have no knowledge about it, bit strange for someone who's written a book about the whole saga.
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It's interesting when it comes out that PWKH was claiming Reid was on SISU's payroll and that Gilbert also gave evidence to say he was. Later turned out he wasn't and he won his claim against them and the editor just happened to vanish the same day.

The SISU Payroll is an interesting one, especially when it comes from somebody like PWKH. Same bloke who threatened people on here with his family of lawyers but it turned out needed multiple accounts to try and push rumours against people. Funniest thing is that most of the people pushing things have actually turned out to be on the council's payroll.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #441
Nick said:
Andy Goode all over it as well, standard Wasps PR guy.
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Whats he saying?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #442
The analogy with reporting to the police is slightly out, it's more like reporting somebody to a regulator. The police implies it is a crime.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #443
fernandopartridge said:
The analogy with reporting to the police is slightly out, it's more like reporting somebody to a regulator. The police implies it is a crime.
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True, more like a governing body isn't it?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #444
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Whats he saying?
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It's all sisu. The same guy who keeps been shown to be wrong when he says players won't leave, the accounts were fine and people are just jealous. He's employed by wasps.
 
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cc84cov

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  • May 15, 2019
  • #445
Nick said:
It's all sisu. The same guy who keeps been shown to be wrong when he says players won't leave, the accounts were fine and people are just jealous. He's employed by wasps.
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Another prat in the wrong job
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #446
Nick said:
True, more like a governing body isn't it?
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It's like touting a school to Ofsted

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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #447
What’s the best summary of what’s gone on so far?


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SkyblueBri

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #448
You’ve got to admit our club know how to keep things in the news during the closed season. Anyway now I’m seriously worried as against before just concerned that the talks were taking so long.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #449
David O'Day said:
It's like touting a school to Ofsted

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Pretty much.

Isn't that what people have been doing when they keep going to the EFL?
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #450
Coventry City's proposed Ricoh Arena return blocked by European Commission

Any ideas why Sky have said any rent agreement has been blocked? Or has more news been released since Gilbert needed some click bait?
 
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robbiethemole

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #451
Maybe the EC will think fuck it, you're leaving the Union and we don't want lots of problem cases dragging on for years, so do one.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • May 15, 2019
  • #452
skybluebeduff said:
Coventry City's proposed Ricoh Arena return blocked by European Commission

Any ideas why Sky have said any rent agreement has been blocked? Or has more news been released since Gilbert needed some click bait?
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Because somebody told them it had been blocked, the club have since said talks are still ongoing.
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #453
There seems to be a good chunk of peeps jumping in quick to point all the fingers everywhere but SISU again ?! What a shambles !
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #454
robbiethemole said:
Maybe the EC will think fuck it, you're leaving the Union and we don't want lots of problem cases dragging on for years, so do one.
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Au contraire, they're interested because the application of state aid rules is of pan-European interest not just UK.
 

SkyBlueDom26

Well-Known Member
  • May 15, 2019
  • #455
We'll stay the ricoh and it will all be okay
 
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