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The pies and pasty issue - the plot thickens (4 Viewers)

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dongonzalos

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  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #71
Nick said:
Covered the costs for what though?

People will just blame ccfc anyway.
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People blame the owners not CCFC.
Some can divide the two
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #72
Astute said:
Are SISU CCFC today?

You spend a lot of time telling people that SISU are not CCFC. But as soon as you see that someone might blame SISU for something you say that they are blaming CCFC :shifty:
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Subtle wasn't it
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #73
Astute said:
Are SISU CCFC today?

You spend a lot of time telling people that SISU are not CCFC. But as soon as you see that someone might blame SISU for something you say that they are blaming CCFC :shifty:
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Yawn. One of those days is it? Already seen you are being a bitch on the other thread about the trials too.

The email was sent about the pies from a CCFC employee wasn't it?

It's strange being able to see the difference isn't it? Why would they blame the owners if the agreement is between ACL and CCFC?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #74
Nick said:
It has been explained it's out of the club's hands hasn't it?
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We were told it was out of our clubs hands. But nothing was explained.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #75
Nick said:
Yawn.

The email was sent about the pies from a CCFC employee wasn't it?

It's strange being able to see the difference isn't it? Why would they blame the owners if the agreement is between ACL and CCFC?
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Who makes the agreement?
It's not the manager and the team.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #76
dongonzalos said:
People blame the owners not CCFC.
Some can divide the two
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Yes, it's quite easy to divide the two which is what I am doing.

Unless Tynan Scope also works for SISU now?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #77
dongonzalos said:
Who makes the agreement?
It's not the manager and the team.
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Yes, because it is always managers and players who discuss that sort of thing isn't it?
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #78
Ah well, we have fan v owners slanging matches, owners v Council court cases & owners v landlord disputes...we might as well have a food fight into the bargain!

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #79
Nick said:
Yawn. One of those days is it? Already seen you are being a bitch on the other thread about the trials too.

The email was sent about the pies from a CCFC employee wasn't it?

It's strange being able to see the difference isn't it? Why would they blame the owners if the agreement is between ACL and CCFC?
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Very strange indeed.

If you want to nitpick you also say that those that have invested are the ones that own CCFC. SISU only run CCFC. But you frequently call SISU the owners :smuggrin:
 

Astute

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  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #80
SkyblueBazza said:
Ah well, we have fan v owners slanging matches, owners v Council court cases & owners v landlord disputes...we might as well have a food fight into the bargain!

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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What a great idea. A food fight without food
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #81
Astute said:
Very strange indeed.

If you want to nitpick you also say that those that have invested are the ones that own CCFC. SISU only run CCFC. But you frequently call SISU the owners :smuggrin:
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Nitpick about what?

Yes, SISU are the "owners". The same as how many other clubs who have consortiums and external funding but an "owner" that is referenced like that?

Obvious what is meant really isn't it?
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #82
Nick said:
Yes, it's quite easy to divide the two which is what I am doing.
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So why is it that when someone has a go at SISU you say that they had a go at CCFC?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #83
Astute said:
So why is it that when someone has a go at SISU you say that they had a go at CCFC?
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It depends what they are having a go about surely?

There's the difference between the 2, that's my point.

People can blame sisu for something that's down to ccfc and blame ccfc for things that are sisu.

They can blame either or when it's down to acl as well.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #84
Nick said:
It depends what they are having a go about surely?

There's the difference between the 2, that's my point.

People can blame sisu for something that's down to ccfc and blame ccfc for things that are sisu.

They can blame either or when it's down to acl as well.
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Exactly.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #85
Astute said:
So why is it that when someone has a go at SISU you say that they had a go at CCFC?
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Similar to the Fisher Truth Disease that affects keyboards of certain posters, usually those who don't post anything about football, eh Tony?
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #86
Nick said:
It depends what they are having a go about surely?

There's the difference between the 2, that's my point.

People can blame sisu for something that's down to ccfc and blame ccfc for things that are sisu.

They can blame either or when it's down to acl as well.
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It's all helped by communication with all parties and particularly fans.
I can't see decisions like things being made out of spite, more likely a business decision.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #87
Nick said:
It depends what they are having a go about surely?

There's the difference between the 2, that's my point.

People can blame sisu for something that's down to ccfc and blame ccfc for things that are sisu.

They can blame either or when it's down to acl as well.
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And you pull them up on it. But then use the same method yourself.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #88
italiahorse said:
It's all helped by communication with all parties and particularly fans.
I can't see decisions like things being made out of spite, more likely a business decision.
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Which is fair enough so come out and say it. That would stop the "blame the club by default" culture that exists on here.
 
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Astute

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  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #89
torchomatic said:
Which is fair enough so come out and say it. That would stop the "blame the club by default" culture that exists on here.
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Like I said earlier. We were told that it is out of our clubs hands but nothing at all was explained.

Is there anything that supporter pressure could help? If so they have missed out. SISU don't seem to mind the bad press that much. But just about everyone else wouldn't want it. And they should do what they can to get us on their side. Especially if it is something as simple as telling us the truth.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #90
Astute said:
Like I said earlier. We were told that it is out of our clubs hands but nothing at all was explained.

Is there anything that supporter pressure could help? If so they have missed out. SISU don't seem to mind the bad press that much. But just about everyone else wouldn't want it. And they should do what they can to get us on their side. Especially if it is something as simple as telling us the truth.
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that's certainly the impression I'm getting, quite worrying.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #91
Nick said:
Yes, because it is always managers and players who discuss that sort of thing isn't it?
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Exactly it isn't
So people arent blaming CCFC
They are blaming the owners
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #92
Astute said:
Like I said earlier. We were told that it is out of our clubs hands but nothing at all was explained.

Is there anything that supporter pressure could help? If so they have missed out. SISU don't seem to mind the bad press that much. But just about everyone else wouldn't want it. And they should do what they can to get us on their side. Especially if it is something as simple as telling us the truth.
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It's odd isn't it. Been all too quick off the mark before to point the finger of blame in ACL's or the Council's direction, but they seem unnervingly quiet over this one.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #93
torchomatic said:
Which is fair enough so come out and say it. That would stop the "blame the club by default" culture that exists on here.
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Not the 'club'
People blame the owners.
Some just see criticism of the owners as criticism of 'CCFC' or the 'Club'
 
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Fergusons_Beard

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #94
ACL/Wasps/ccc have got it all sewn up.

They can do anything and with the tsunami of anti-SISU media that has brainwashed quite a few of our fans, no one will question, just point the finger at SISU.

About time we started asking questions of ALL parties.

I mean how the fook can the withdrawal of food provided by the stadium be anything to do with SISU?

Take your anti-SISU blinkers off and see the truth.

It's more likely to do with Compass (who provide the catering) and ACL (who have contract with Compass).

The real questions are-

Does the catering still happen for people in corporate at WASPS games?

Who's responsibility is it to provide the 'match day experience' at the RICOH when CCFC can only do so much?

I doubt very much we'll ever get the real truth (especially when the media dares not challenge all sides).




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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #95
Otis said:
It's odd isn't it. Been all too quick off the mark before to point the finger of blame in ACL's or the Council's direction, but they seem unnervingly quiet over this one.
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I'm just not sure. Sometimes I feel as though they either don't know how to communicate with us or think that the majority of us are too thick to understand.
 

Astute

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  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #96
Fergusons_Beard said:
ACL/Wasps/ccc have got it all sewn up.

They can do anything and with the tsunami of anti-SISU media that has brainwashed quite a few of our fans, no one will question, just point the finger at SISU.

About time we started asking questions of ALL parties.

I mean how the fook can the withdrawal of food provided by the stadium be anything to do with SISU?

Take your anti-SISU blinkers off and see the truth.

It's more likely to do with Compass (who provide the catering) and ACL (who have contract with Compass).

The real questions are-

Does the catering still happen for people in corporate at WASPS games?

Who's responsibility is it to provide the 'match day experience' at the RICOH when CCFC can only do so much?

I doubt very much we'll ever get the real truth (especially when the media dares not challenge all sides).




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A lot of it will be down to the contract signed when we came back. We don't know who is to blame until someone tells us something. And all sides have gone quiet. Very unusual.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #97
dongonzalos said:
Not the 'club'
People blame the owners.
Some just see criticism of the owners as criticism of 'CCFC' or the 'Club'
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What are the owners being blamed for?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #98
Nick said:
What are the owners being blamed for?
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Is that the investors, Otium, SISU,...........
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #99
Nick said:
What are the owners being blamed for?
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They are been unfairly blamed for not providing catering.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #100
Fergusons_Beard said:
ACL/Wasps/ccc have got it all sewn up.

They can do anything and with the tsunami of anti-SISU media that has brainwashed quite a few of our fans, no one will question, just point the finger at SISU.

About time we started asking questions of ALL parties.

I mean how the fook can the withdrawal of food provided by the stadium be anything to do with SISU?

Take your anti-SISU blinkers off and see the truth.

It's more likely to do with Compass (who provide the catering) and ACL (who have contract with Compass).

The real questions are-

Does the catering still happen for people in corporate at WASPS games?

Who's responsibility is it to provide the 'match day experience' at the RICOH when CCFC can only do so much?

I doubt very much we'll ever get the real truth (especially when the media dares not challenge all sides).




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I totally agree, but as I suggested earlier in the thread, why don't sisu make some sort of gesture to give them a bit of good PR and turn it back on compass or whoever is ultimately responsible.

I think it's fair to say if the shoe was on the other foot compass/wasps would be off running to their CET mouth piece.
As usual the only losers in this are the CCFC support.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #101
Astute said:
Is that the investors, Otium, SISU,...........
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You tell me...
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #102
Astute said:
We were told it was out of our clubs hands. But nothing was explained.
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So it was out of the clubs hands then as we have to take that at face value. Meanwhile ACLs no comment gets a no comment on here.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #103
Astute said:
A lot of it will be down to the contract signed when we came back. We don't know who is to blame until someone tells us something. And all sides have gone quiet. Very unusual.
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Well we weren't quiet as we said nothing to do with us as you've already pointed out. It is ACL who haven't said a word, but that seems fine.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #104
torchomatic said:
Well we weren't quiet as we said nothing to do with us as you've already pointed out. It is ACL who haven't said a word, but that seems fine.
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Seems fine with who?

Not trying to say something that I haven't are you? As I did say it would be much better if SISU told us what is wrong instead of just saying it is out of their hands. But as usual we are left to guess what is going on.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 8, 2017
  • #105
Astute said:
Seems fine with who?

Not trying to say something that I haven't are you? As I did say it would be much better if SISU told us what is wrong instead of just saying it is out of their hands. But as usual we are left to guess what is going on.
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A point is being missed here. We have come out and said it is beyond the control of CCFC, so we have said something, yet it seems that is not good enough, they are keeping us in the dark, etc. ACL gave a resounding "no comment" and unsurprisingly not a word.

Have you wondered why ACL said that? Have you been left to "guess what is going on"? from their side?
 
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