The 'One season fluke' reality facing most Championship clubs (1 Viewer)

Sky Blue Harry H · May 31, 2021

For all clubs competing in The Championship - other than those receiving parachute payments - the stark reality is they are facing a 'fluke' season to gain promotion to the PL. Any side that has a very good season, with emerging talent, will have their best players cherry picked, unless they reach the promised land, and so to achieve the 'fluke' status, it seems to me that a club has to have a 'perfect storm' combination of emerging talent, lack of key injuries and clever/lucky use of PL loans to have any chance of elbowing into a position of challenging the relegated PL teams. Brentford managed it through bolstering transfer funds from the sales of Watkins, Benrahma, Maupay and clever recruitment. Sheffield United still confound me how they managed it, but hats off to them. Bournemouth aside, the rest of the Championship teams are much of a muchness, and they are the only team I can see realistically challenging the relegated 3 next season. No-one else stands out. Until the PL do something about parachute payments, this will be a case of rinse and repeat. Sad, i think.

fatso · May 31, 2021

The parachute payment system does allow teams to "yo yo" between the premier league and the championship until they are strong enough to mount a realistic attempt to survive and become established in the top flight.

Norwich look stronger now than they did when they Last got promoted, and I would expect west brom to be in a similar position in 12 months time.
The play offs do give "lesser" teams a chance to gate crash the premier league party, but it will take excellent management and investment to stay there.

wingy · May 31, 2021

fatso said:
The parachute payment system does allow teams to "yo yo" between the premier league and the championship until they are strong enough to mount a realistic attempt to survive and become established in the top flight.

Norwich look stronger now than they did when they Last got promoted, and I would expect west brom to be in a similar position in 12 months time.
The play offs do give "lesser" teams a chance to gate crash the premier league party, but it will take excellent management and investment to stay there.

I agree largely about yoyoing and Norwich seem to show how it's done up to now,but I don't think it takes too much to be Knocked off course by something of an adverse nature.

Samo · May 31, 2021

The parachute payment system is inherently unfair. Any club promoted to the championship cannot compete on a level playing field because a number of their competitors are 'favored' by the Premier League.
It stinks and should never have been allowed to happen.

Evo1883 · May 31, 2021

Why should a club receive 70 million pound to offset losses when they've received a previous 100 plus mill for playing 1 season in the prem .

Absurd

Rewards the overspending to get there in the first place

CDK · May 31, 2021

It's a win win for teams dropping back before. Returning like Norwich ,sheff utd had an outstanding season but were found out last season well and proper but have I think 3 years of compensation payments to come and are better off already which is great from there piont of view.

Samo · May 31, 2021

CDK said:
It's a win win for teams dropping back before. Returning like Norwich ,sheff utd had an outstanding season but were found out last season well and proper but have I think 3 years of compensation payments to come and are better off already which is great from there piont of view.

Why should they be compensated for being poor?

PUSB-We_are_going_up · May 31, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
For all clubs competing in The Championship - other than those receiving parachute payments - the strak reality is they are facing a 'fluke' season to gain promootion to the PL. Any side that has a very good season, with emerging talent, will have their best players cherry picked, unless they reach the promised land, and so to achieve the 'fluke' status, it seems to me that a club has to have a 'perfect storm' combination of emerging talent, lack of key injuries and clever/lucky use of PL loans to have any chance of elbowing into a position of challenging the relegated PL teams. Brentford managed it through bolstering transfer funds from the sales of Watkins, Benrahma, maupay and clever recruitment. Sheffield United still confound me how they managed it, but hats off to them. Bournemouth aside, the rest of the Championship teams are much of a muchness, and they are the only team I can see realistically challenging the relagated 3 next season. No-one else stands out. Until the PL do something about parachute ppayments, this will be a case of rinse and repeat. Sad, i think.

So us when we won L1

Torquay Sky Blue · May 31, 2021

Yep if you don't go straight back up you could be fucked. Huddersfield and Stoke can vouch for that. Also Hull, Wigan and others have faired even worse.
I'm hoping Bournemouth suffer in the same way.

Bad Boy · May 31, 2021

Evo1883 said:
Why should a club receive 70 million pound to offset losses when they've received a previous 100 plus mill for playing 1 season in the prem .

Absurd

Rewards the overspending to get there in the first place

Absolutely 100% agree with you Evo1883, like you said absurd.

pipkin73 · May 31, 2021

If Cov Rugby got promoted to the Premiership they would have to spend loads even to hope to compete.
They could never do that without parachute payments.

Players won't come for 1 season, they want 3 years minimum (unless older) and you can't give them that without a backup. Same for Championship teams getting promoted to the Premier League. Without the payout, they could never stay up and then people would argue that is not fair.

It's the old damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.

pipkin73 · May 31, 2021

We were just unlucky, when we went down itv Sports collapsed so we lost the tv deal, If we had gone down 2 or 3 years later we would have loved the payments and probably gone straight back up and never imagined a cold day at Yeovil on a Wednesday night.

pipkin73 · May 31, 2021

pipkin73 said:
We were just unlucky, when we went down itv Sports collapsed so we lost the tv deal, If we had gone down 2 or 3 years later we would have loved the payments and probably gone straight back up and never imagined a cold day at Yeovil on a Wednesday night.

From what i've read, it's also the reason we ran out of money for Arena 2000. If we had stayed at HR we might have absorbed the itv collapse but both together screwed us and we are only just recovering now. Any other year would have been better for us, but the cost of Arena 2000 plus relegation and tv deal collapse just screwed us.

pipkin73 · May 31, 2021

Just a thought, everyone says Sky Sports ruined football, but for us, itv Sport ruined it.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 31, 2021

pipkin73 said:
If Cov Rugby got promoted to the Premiership they would have to spend loads even to hope to compete.
They could never do that without parachute payments.

Players won't come for 1 season, they want 3 years minimum (unless older) and you can't give them that without a backup. Same for Championship teams getting promoted to the Premier League. Without the payout, they could never stay up and then people would argue that is not fair.

It's the old damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.

Then the problem is having a set-up with such a massive disparity between the top two tiers. Handing out extra money so you end up in the main with a handful of yo-yo clubs isn't the answer.

Hobo · May 31, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
For all clubs competing in The Championship - other than those receiving parachute payments - the stark reality is they are facing a 'fluke' season to gain promotion to the PL. Any side that has a very good season, with emerging talent, will have their best players cherry picked, unless they reach the promised land, and so to achieve the 'fluke' status, it seems to me that a club has to have a 'perfect storm' combination of emerging talent, lack of key injuries and clever/lucky use of PL loans to have any chance of elbowing into a position of challenging the relegated PL teams. Brentford managed it through bolstering transfer funds from the sales of Watkins, Benrahma, Maupay and clever recruitment. Sheffield United still confound me how they managed it, but hats off to them. Bournemouth aside, the rest of the Championship teams are much of a muchness, and they are the only team I can see realistically challenging the relegated 3 next season. No-one else stands out. Until the PL do something about parachute payments, this will be a case of rinse and repeat. Sad, i think.

The place to look is the Premier League. Look at how the mega bucks is distributed down that division.

It really is top 6 biaised and almosts locks the top six into the top six.

It is getting to the stage where it is almost farcical to call it a competition.

Something I have seen in past is a team like Southampton threatening to get in top six only to have players picked off in January.

Top teams can afford to buy players to bolster their squad and hamper a top eight sides progress.

NortonSkyBlue · May 31, 2021

Leicester won the premier league and their better players Kante, Drinkwater and Mahrez were sold for roughly 100 million. Big fish eaten by bigger fish.
Norwich win the championship 5 years later and potentially sell Aarons, Buendia and Cantwell for the same amount whilst trying to get a foothold back in the premier league in the knowledge that they can invest in replacements and still have the premier league money and if they go down the parachute payments. Norwich are insulated for years.
How did it come to this? In the championship we are in a pool with sharks and whales whilst feeding off the scraps. It really isn’t a level playing field.

stevefloyd · Jun 1, 2021

riyadhskyblue said:
Leicester won the premier league and their better players Kante, Drinkwater and Mahrez were sold for roughly 100 million. Big fish eaten by bigger fish.
Norwich win the championship 5 years later and potentially sell Aarons, Buendia and Cantwell for the same amount whilst trying to get a foothold back in the premier league in the knowledge that they can invest in replacements and still have the premier league money and if they go down the parachute payments. Norwich are insulated for years.
How did it come to this? In the championship we are in a pool with sharks and whales whilst feeding off the scraps. It really isn’t a level playing field.

Fester did have the luxury of a billionaire owner too

Mcbean · Jun 1, 2021

riyadhskyblue said:
Leicester won the premier league and their better players Kante, Drinkwater and Mahrez were sold for roughly 100 million. Big fish eaten by bigger fish.
Norwich win the championship 5 years later and potentially sell Aarons, Buendia and Cantwell for the same amount whilst trying to get a foothold back in the premier league in the knowledge that they can invest in replacements and still have the premier league money and if they go down the parachute payments. Norwich are insulated for years.
How did it come to this? In the championship we are in a pool with sharks and whales whilst feeding off the scraps. It really isn’t a level playing field.

Drinkwater didn’t make it after that move ? Or was it injury

you still see Prem teams looking abroad for the big players

SlowerThanPlatt · Jun 1, 2021

Mcbean said:
Drinkwater didn’t make it after that move ? Or was it injury

you still see Prem teams looking abroad for the big players

Was injured a bit but not at the elite level like Kante and Mahrez. Leicester robbed them

Frostie · Jun 1, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Was injured a bit but not at the elite level like Kante and Mahrez. Leicester robbed them

Indeed. Matty James was rated higher than Drinkwater if not for his injuries.
Drinkwater had a lot of off field issues too.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jun 1, 2021

Frostie said:
Indeed. Matty James was rated higher than Drinkwater if not for his injuries.
Drinkwater had a lot of off field issues too.

Which would have been avoided had he listened to his surname

rob9872 · Jun 1, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
For all clubs competing in The Championship - other than those receiving parachute payments - the stark reality is they are facing a 'fluke' season to gain promotion to the PL. Any side that has a very good season, with emerging talent, will have their best players cherry picked, unless they reach the promised land, and so to achieve the 'fluke' status, it seems to me that a club has to have a 'perfect storm' combination of emerging talent, lack of key injuries and clever/lucky use of PL loans to have any chance of elbowing into a position of challenging the relegated PL teams. Brentford managed it through bolstering transfer funds from the sales of Watkins, Benrahma, Maupay and clever recruitment. Sheffield United still confound me how they managed it, but hats off to them. Bournemouth aside, the rest of the Championship teams are much of a muchness, and they are the only team I can see realistically challenging the relegated 3 next season. No-one else stands out. Until the PL do something about parachute payments, this will be a case of rinse and repeat. Sad, i think.

I was with you until you said 'hats off to Sheffield United'

Sky Blue Harry H · Jun 1, 2021

rob9872 said:
I was with you until you said 'hats off to Sheffield United'

**** off, to Sheffield United any better, Rob ?

wingy · Jun 1, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Which would have been avoided had he listened to his surname

Boire aqua?

Sky Blue Harry H · Jun 1, 2021

wingy said:
Boire aqua?

Trinken wasser

Deleted member 9744 · Jun 1, 2021

Mcbean said:
Drinkwater didn’t make it after that move ? Or was it injury

you still see Prem teams looking abroad for the big players

I never rated Drinkwater and certainly nothing like Kante or Mahrez,or Vardy or Maguires for that matter.

LilleSkyBlue · Jun 1, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Trinken wasser

Drinken water

robbiekeane · Jun 1, 2021

Compulsory relegation wage clauses and release clauses should be enough to protect yourself from overspending - get rid of the parachute payments

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 1, 2021

robbiekeane said:
Compulsory relegation wage clauses and release clauses should be enough to protect yourself from overspending - get rid of the parachute payments

Payment should be as you are promoted not after being relegated

Warwickhunt · Jun 3, 2021

they will stop paying the parachute payments to relegated teams from the Premier League in the season City get promoted

DionDublinsJockstrap · Jun 3, 2021

I’m amazed that the parachute payments have never been challenged in the courts on the grounds of unfair competition.

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