skybluecam
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Hate to break it to you but we did lose that game.
We’ve ultimately come up short this season.
Hate to break it to you but we did lose that game.Maybe the Semi was a lesson for DK
first goal scored by Simms, second goal scored by COH third goal scored by Haji, 4th goal scored by Torp … All Cov players
Maybe the Semi was a lesson for DK
first goal scored by Simms, second goal scored by COH third goal scored by Haji, 4th goal scored by Torp … All Cov players
You do realise you can have permanent players and loans.Maybe the Semi was a lesson for DK
first goal scored by Simms, second goal scored by COH third goal scored by Haji, 4th goal scored by Torp … All Cov players
We didn't lose the game, we lost a penalty shoot out. In my view also we did actually win the game(short of holding out for about 30 seconds to a minute after we scored the winner that was taken away for some strange reason).Hate to break it to you but we did lose that game.
We’ve ultimately come up short this season.
We didn't lose the game, we lost a penalty shoot out. In my view also we did actually win the game(short of holding out for about 30 seconds to a minute after we scored the winner that was taken away for some strange reason).
Semantics maybe but we didn't lose the game.
Came up short of what ?Hate to break it to you but we did lose that game.
We’ve ultimately come up short this season.
Reaching the playoffs.Came up short of what ?
I didn’t expect us to win the FA Cup or get promoted.
We have finished where I thought we would.
We have had 2 loans this season. Binks and Ayari. Didn’t set the world alight did they …..You do realise you can have permanent players and loans.
I don’t think the Hull or Ipswich managers or fans are saying how they wish they had our model and wish they didn't have any of those horrible loan players. It was a mistake not to utilise the loan market and I hope we have learned from it.
Binks has been a valuable member of the squad.We have had 2 loans this season. Binks and Ayari. Didn’t set the world alight did they …..
I do think loans have their place but the idea that if we had 1or 2 more might have made the difference I think is folly.
if Tats hasn’t got injured …
If Robins had changed formation earlier in the campaign …
If Simms had been given a proper run of games earlier in the season
If COH form hadn’t fallen off a cliff
If the 2 loans we did get had been better
There are so many variables ….more Loans is just one of them.
In the likely event Hull don't reach playoffs and even more likely event Hull don't get promoted then Carvalho (loanee), Delap (loanee) & Ohio (loanee) along with Zaoury (loanee) and Giles (loanee) return to their parent clubs and Hull have to completely rebuild their squad again over the summer after spunking millions away on players they don't own.The Hull game should have been a lesson for DK if he’s still against loans.
1st hull goal assisted by Carvalho (loanee). 2nd is a penalty won by Delap (loanee) scored by Carvalho (loanee). 3rd is scored by Ohio (loanee).
Meanwhile we’re dredging up Kelly, Godden, Dasilva playing on the wing etc just to put a team out.
I see no evidence that Binks has made a material contribution. People are arguing for loans to give us the X factor not fill up the squad !Binks has been a valuable member of the squad.
Robins changing formation and Tats’ injury is exactly why we would’ve benefited from loans… this is simple stuff.
Reaching the playoffs.
Loans should be used to fill up the squad. That’s their best purpose. Short term solutions to short term problems, such as switching formations mid season without the squad to do so.I see no evidence that Binks has made a material contribution. People are arguing for loans to give us the X factor not fill up the squad !
Saying we need more loans is lazy and ignores the variety of other factors that also have contributed.
We have very different views on why you bring loan players in …..Loans should be used to fill up the squad. That’s their best purpose. Short term solutions to short term problems, such as switching formations mid season without the squad to do so.
Clearly, and that’s where you’re going wrong.We have very different views on why you bring loan players in …..
I’m not suggesting we bring in loads. But that game was evidence they can contribute, and we would’ve benefited from such contributions. Someone like Zaroury on loan to add depth on the wing would’ve been massive for us.In the likely event Hull don't reach playoffs and even more likely event Hull don't get promoted then Carvalho (loanee), Delap (loanee) & Ohio (loanee) along with Zaoury (loanee) and Giles (loanee) return to their parent clubs and Hull have to completely rebuild their squad again over the summer after spunking millions away on players they don't own.
There is an argument for using the loan market well but Hull isn't it.
He’s not a squad loan is he ! You’ve just argued against yourselfI’m not suggesting we bring in loads. But that game was evidence they can contribute, and we would’ve benefited from such contributions. Someone like Zaroury on loan to add depth on the wing would’ve been massive for us.
Just an example of a championship quality winger available on loan.He’s not a squad loan is he ! You’ve just argued against yourself
I see no evidence that Binks has made a material contribution. People are arguing for loans to give us the X factor not fill up the squad !
Saying we need more loans is lazy and ignores the variety of other factors that also have contributed.
Yes, it would helped with the loss of Sakamoto because we’ve not looked right without him.I’m not suggesting we bring in loads. But that game was evidence they can contribute, and we would’ve benefited from such contributions. Someone like Zaroury on loan to add depth on the wing would’ve been massive for us.
I think it would- a versatile winger would’ve allowed Wright and Saka rest, plus Milan wouldn’t be forced to play on the wing.Yes, it would helped with the loss of Sakamoto because we’ve not looked right without him.
That said, 1-2 loanees probably wouldn’t have made the difference in the long run. Given how tired the whole team looks right now.
The lack of a loan signing in Jan is an easy thing to point at and to add that that, the issue is the squad depth as a whole. In midfield, Eccles and Sheaf had to play a lot of minutes and because Sheaf gets injured, Torp gets thrown in prematurely. By this point in the season they’re knackered. That applies to Wright, Simms, MVE and more players across the team.
We had Two loans ….It's not lazy.
We have 3 options:
Fund an adequately sized squad full of contracted players .
Operate with a smaller squad of contracted players but supplement it with loans.
Operate with a squad of contracted players which is too small.
I think we'd all like option1, but given that's not happening some seem to prefer option 3 as next best, which is truly bizarre.
We had Two loans ….
we can’t have it both ways ….
when we had 4 loans everyone said it was too many !!!
I think it would- a versatile winger would’ve allowed Wright and Saka rest, plus Milan wouldn’t be forced to play on the wing.
Our problem isn’t lack of depth in central mid, it’s the quality of that depth. But if we had a proper winger playing we could probably have got away with Kelly or Allen giving Sheaf/Eccles a rest.
I was using CM as an example. 1-2 loans would’ve made some difference, however, it’s not the silver bullet we think it is. Kelly and Allen aren’t adequate depth for where we want to be.
Hull went all in on loans in Jan and could miss out on playoffs just like us.
In short, we’re not as close being a playoff/automatics team as we think. I’ve said previously that we’re close but if we need 6+ players to get there, it’s still a long way to go.
But you even said in a previous post squad size is an issue. Of course bringing loans I doesn't automatically solve that but we need to address it one way or another, a paper thin squad has been an issue for the last 3 seasons.
Allen and Kelly are fine for depth as is Latibeaudiere when you have Sheaf, Eccles and Torp for two spots. Your obsession about CM is very odd.I was using CM as an example. 1-2 loans would’ve made some difference, however, it’s not the silver bullet we think it is. Kelly and Allen aren’t adequate depth for where we want to be.
Hull went all in on loans in Jan and could miss out on playoffs just like us.
In short, we’re not as close being a playoff/automatics team as we think. I’ve said previously that we’re close but if we need 6+ players to get there, it’s still a long way to go.
Allen and Kelly are fine for depth as is Latibeaudiere when you have Sheaf, Eccles and Torp for two spots. Your obsession about CM is very odd.
The problem was zero cover for Wright and Sakamoto.
Waste? I was crying out for a winger on loanCalling for loans is easy in hindsight. Go back to Jan - who are you going and getting? Do you waste one on cover for Sakamoto? Would anyone loan you someone who they know won’t play in front of him? You’d probably get a CF as Simms isn’t firing - look how much damage that might have done. The reasons go on. Loans are rarely a good option.
So rare indeed. In recent years only:Calling for loans is easy in hindsight. Go back to Jan - who are you going and getting? Do you waste one on cover for Sakamoto? Would anyone loan you someone who they know won’t play in front of him? You’d probably get a CF as Simms isn’t firing - look how much damage that might have done. The reasons go on. Loans are rarely a good option.
For those calling for a loan in Jan.
Would you have taken us loaning in a player in January this season if it meant us missing out on a permanent signing this summer?
I know this is a hypothetical but as Robins has always said "you can only spend a pound once"
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