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Technically.......Ukraine were the worst team!
Technically.......Ukraine were the worst team!How many of our players would get in any of the following;
Germany
Belgium
Italy
Spain
Poland
Reality is we are not even in the top 8 in Europe that's below par in a big way. Other than the Russia game we've been terrible and Russia were the worst team in the competition
Well clearly some of our players would get in the Poland squad. The others you have mentioned are the best in Europe, so no of course our players wouldn't get in there.How many of our players would get in any of the following;
Germany
Belgium
Italy
Spain
Poland
Reality is we are not even in the top 8 in Europe that's below par in a big way. Other than the Russia game we've been terrible and Russia were the worst team in the competition
Yep. It is about building a team that plays as a team, not just picking a group of the 11 best individuals.Good point from Shearer talking about people blaming the PL or the academy system. Basically pointed out that this Wales team have come through the same system and are playing to a plan and playing for each other. That's the difference for me. When the going gets tough for England too many 'names' go into hiding.
Yep, become very apparent.For me Hodgson takes 99% of the blame, players need to know what the plan is and Roy simply didn't have one.
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Yep, become very apparent.
As Shearer said, all through qualifying we had a plan and a system. As soon as we got to France we seemed to chuck that out the window and chop and change and play people out of position and not know what our best team was.
The more you analyse it, the more you have to point the finger at Hodgson, though in saying that, that effort (if you can call it that) against Iceland by the players was truly dreadful.
these pampered premiership players are shit
I think it's harsh to say that they don't care, I think we just didn't have a plan and had poor discipline as a result. All of our games we lacked direction and a plan B, you look at last nights game both sides could split the play, play with width but most importantly everyone knew their roles.Wouldn't go as far as that, but I would say they don't care enough.
Against Iceland we seemed to approach the game as if it was a training exercise and we strolled around, even when the clock was ticking down.
Lack of spirit and fight and they didn't care nearly enough. Wales played the game last night as if their lives depended on it.
I think it's harsh to say that they don't care, I think we just didn't have a plan and had poor discipline as a result. All of our games we lacked direction and a plan B, you look at last nights game both sides could split the play, play with width but most importantly everyone knew their roles.
They do care, Stu, but not enough. I would never say they don't care. Look how much it meant to Wales last night. How many times have we seen England play with that kind of fight in a tournament?I think it's harsh to say that they don't care, I think we just didn't have a plan and had poor discipline as a result. All of our games we lacked direction and a plan B, you look at last nights game both sides could split the play, play with width but most importantly everyone knew their roles.
And that's why Kane was as puzzling as anyone. It looked like he had never ever seen a ball before let alone kicked one.players aren't brave enough when things aren't going well. you have to question mental strength of a team that flew through qualis against sides of similar quality to Iceland, Slovakia and Russia but get to a finals and it goes out the window.
The Iceland game though was just wrong from start to finish. The basics of passing and controlling a ball went out the window.
And too often we just weren't getting players in the box.
A common theme through out the tournament was a lot of shots but very few on target.
Even his freekicks lacked any sort of conviction - half-hearted slaps some of them.And that's why Kane was as puzzling as anyone. It looked like he had never ever seen a ball before let alone kicked one.
His shooting and crossing was appalling. I just didn't recognise the bloke who had looked so brilliant in the Premier.
Even his freekicks lacked any sort of conviction - half-hearted slaps some of them.
Agreed with you until the last paragraph.Still whatever swipes are aimed at Hodgson if you compare our best teams - the 1990 team, the 1996 euro team and the 1998 team player for player against other teams in that era this team is hugely lacking.
It lacks experience, it lacks depth and it lacks quality.
It's a symptom of the premier league disease. This team perhaps underachieved only as it lost against Iceland. Other than that it looked par for the course.
The pool of players to pick from is limited beyond belief.
It actually shows the depths we are now out even in the managerial stakes that a clown like Pardew is considered as a manager. That's akin to graham Withey being considered as a player.
I'm afraid when very mediocre players are paid millions a year they have zero interest in England. I can imagine them yawning and laughing at the manager as he tried to inspire them.
It's also why I be beg understand the Rooney abuse. Despite the riches he's never shirked never failed to stand up and be counted and never can be accused of lack of effort or integraty
Who would you have as the next manager?If you look at England attacking, everyone except the player with the ball is standing still. If you look at Germany attacking, other players are running into open spaces. You rarely see that with England. I agree, Hodgson takes 90% of the blame. He picked the wrong squad, wrong teams, formations and tactics. The Iceland game was the worst performance by an England team I have ever seen and I have watched England teams since before the 1966 WC. I vote for a foreign manager. There is no English manager even remotely qualified. But I don't think England have any hope of success at a major tournament until the entire structure of the English game is changed. Now that we are out of the EU, I'd like to see at least 50% of every league squad have to be British born players.
Who would you have as the next manager?
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If you go down the English route choices are limited.
The absurd Pardew was in the dailies saying if they come and approach me I'm not interested. Well surely we are not that desperate.
If it's an English manager I would say Steve Bruce
I don't get people calling for Allardyce, yeas we might win some games with simple kick and run football but it's going to be no good for the development of younger players and we will be in the same situation in a few years time. We're on the right track having St Georges park making the young teams play the same way. We are just missing a great manager who understands English football (doesn't necessarily have to be English) and can implement a coherent system.
The best thing we could do is restrict the number of players a team can have under contract at all age groups to ensure players get game time between 18 and 22 when it is vital for their development. Chelsea having something like 100 players under contract is mad, how many potential England players are there who will never develop because they are not playing mens football. It will never happen of course.
They won't do it of their own accord, you have to provide an incentive to do it.The best thing that could happen is for the FA and the Premier League clubs in particular to invest a much greater proportion of the incredible sums they receive into grassroots football.
But will they F**K!
I have not evaluated the potential candidates so I cannot say. We need someone with international experience.Who would you have as the next manager?
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