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The 'Monarchy Question'? (3 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Mucca Mad Boys
  • Start date Dec 3, 2012
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #106
It will be excellent for the economy -- all those mugs and plates celebrating the birth -- the Chinese economy will receive a huge boost.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #107
Grendel said:
About 50 countries have monarchs of some form or other (some by the same monarch admittedly) so facts do not support this statement.
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Out of 210+ countries? So about 1/4 of the world's countries... So the majority do not have monarchs, their epoch is over.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #108
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They would vote to keep it because they've been told it's good since they were born and all views to the contrary are dismissed. Windsor indoctrination pervades all branches of society.
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Jimmy Carr found that one out after his irreverent spot down at the Buck House Jamboree when the establishment went after him.

It took a couple of years of it to drive Gordon Brown from office ,something that Jeremy Vine still tries to dine out on for breaking the Bigot story.:jerkit::jerkit:
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #109
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #110
In fairness after watching the ITN news arse lick I m with the republicans
 

Tad

Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #111
Today hasn't all been great for the royals. I've just found out one direction will be singing for them later tonight.
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #112
Tad said:
Today hasn't all been great for the royals. I've just found out one direction will be singing for them later tonight.
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! I was watching the Royal Variety Performace but now I'm gonna change channels!!
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #113
So on here we have people who want a republic, and also dislike Cameron. Which do you want then, Queen Elizabeth or President Cameron?

As for the cost, its been proven that a president costs more than a monarch.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #114
coundonskyblue said:
So on here we have people who want a republic, and also dislike Cameron. Which do you want then, Queen Elizabeth or President Cameron?

As for the cost, its been proven that a president costs more than a monarch.
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The 'proof' depends on the nations you wish to compare. If Dave were the man elected leader (unlikely that he'd get it but still), I'd have no problem with it. Why? Because at least he'd be there by popular vote rather than surname.
 

deanocity3

New Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #115
coundonskyblue said:
So on here we have people who want a republic, and also dislike Cameron. Which do you want then, Queen Elizabeth or President Cameron?

As for the cost, its been proven that a president costs more than a monarch.
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President Nathen Cameron sounds better
 

Blue Maniac

Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #116
Bit heavy-going in here. I might run off back to the LCFC boards to talk about crisps or summat.
 

Johnnythespider

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #117
I don't want either, i was thinking President Boris
coundonskyblue said:
So on here we have people who want a republic, and also dislike Cameron. Which do you want then, Queen Elizabeth or President Cameron?

As for the cost, its been proven that a president costs more than a monarch.
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coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #118
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The 'proof' depends on the nations you wish to compare. If Dave were the man elected leader (unlikely that he'd get it but still), I'd have no problem with it. Why? Because at least he'd be there by popular vote rather than surname.
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Well Cameron, Brown, Blair, Thatcher all saw themselves as these great world leaders, swanning around the world, using Britains declining power to feed their own egos. Do you really think any of those politicians are going to be a small time president? They would want to be treated like Barrack Obarma (who certainly costs a lot more than the Queen).

Now I'm not an out & out monarchist, but I think we need to look at practicality rather than principle.

Do I think its right that I, or any of us can never be the head of state of the UK? No, in a democracy anyone should be able to become head of state.

If I was setting up a new country of course there would be no monarchy. But our monarchy brings in millions in revenue through tourism, the Queen and Duke are easily the hardest working members of the establishment, and it gives our country and identitiy.

In principle a country should be a republic. In practice however a monarchy in Britain works very well.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #119
coundonskyblue said:
Well Cameron, Brown, Blair, Thatcher all saw themselves as these great world leaders, swanning around the world, using Britains declining power to feed their own egos. Do you really think any of those politicians are going to be a small time president? They would want to be treated like Barrack Obarma (who certainly costs a lot more than the Queen).

Now I'm not an out & out monarchist, but I think we need to look at practicality rather than principle.

Do I think its right that I, or any of us can never be the head of state of the UK? No, in a democracy anyone should be able to become head of state.

If I was setting up a new country of course there would be no monarchy. But our monarchy brings in millions in revenue through tourism, the Queen and Duke are easily the hardest working members of the establishment, and it gives our country and identitiy.

In principle a country should be a republic. In practice however a monarchy in Britain works very well.
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I disagree with you so strongly I'm not meriting this a response.
 
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Macca

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  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #120
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I disagree with you so strongly I'm not meriting this a response.
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Apart from that one

It's President Milliband that scares me
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #121
Macca said:
Apart from that one

It's President Milliband that scares me
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50p a year to keep nasel Ed away from head of state seems like good value for money to me!

I wonder how many of those who moan about the undemocraticness (is that a word?) of the monarchy bother to vote in local & national elections?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #122
coundonskyblue said:
50p a year to keep nasel Ed away from head of state seems like good value for money to me!

I wonder how many of those who moan about the undemocraticness (is that a word?) of the monarchy bother to vote in local & national elections?
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Probably no different to the general voter apathy which is already prevalent.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #123
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Out of 210+ countries? So about 1/4 of the world's countries... So the majority do not have monarchs, their epoch is over.
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No many countries have military led dictatorships.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #124
Grendel said:
No many countries have military led dictatorships.
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We simply have a benevolent one.
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #125
The country certainly is a charity
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #126
Apparent Kate has just had a tremendous shit...... Gawd bless er
 

Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #127
I don't low why people are saying 'President 'X'' sounds bad? At the end of the day whether David Cameron is PM or President, he still exercises power... President is just a title.
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #128
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
I don't low why people are saying 'President 'X'' sounds bad? At the end of the day whether David Cameron is PM or President, he still exercises power... President is just a title.
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It was the word milliband that scared me. President is fine
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #129
coundonskyblue said:
50p a year to keep nasel Ed away from head of state seems like good value for money to me!

I wonder how many of those who moan about the undemocraticness (is that a word?) of the monarchy bother to vote in local & national elections?
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The World is carved up by Multi-nationals and the G20 ,thats the reason no-one votes,It makes minimal difference to the outcome .

IF Eds not your type ,how about Evette Cooper,She'd trounce DC in a general election.
 

WillieStanley

New Member
  • Dec 3, 2012
  • #130
coundonskyblue said:
So on here we have people who want a republic, and also dislike Cameron. Which do you want then, Queen Elizabeth or President Cameron?

As for the cost, its been proven that a president costs more than a monarch.
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Id go with President Elizabeth if she were elected. I wouldn't be happy about it, in the same way I'm not happy with DC4PM but the fact that the people voted for him gives him a right to his tenure. We also know that we have other options with different political ideals we can chose from next time.
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Dec 4, 2012
  • #131
See im a great believer in you only change something if its going to make it better. How will getting rid of the queen & replacing her with a politician make my life better?
 

WillieStanley

New Member
  • Dec 4, 2012
  • #132
Because the voice which decides who the head of state is will include yours! That's got to be better, right?
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 4, 2012
  • #133
I d be hugely surprised if we have either in 30-40 years
 

WillieStanley

New Member
  • Dec 4, 2012
  • #134
So would I, but if republicans don't stand now you can add another 30 or 40 on top of that
 

Disorganised1

New Member
  • Dec 4, 2012
  • #135
Yeah - like we have so much ability to effect things now - who voted for a coalition ?

We give up our freedom for the right to mark a cross on a piece of paper once every 5 years. In reality government is decided by the few constituencies that actually can change. I've had Robinson for years as my MP ~ can anyone explain how that is a choice.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 4, 2012
  • #136
coundonskyblue said:
See im a great believer in you only change something if its going to make it better. How will getting rid of the queen & replacing her with a politician make my life better?
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Economically speaking a lot more money would be going the public's way in a large part due to the duchies and Crown Estates being handed back to the state. Furthermore with places like the Palace being free to visit all year round, tourism would likely benefit and bring more money in to the UK. Why are you so in favour of having a hereditary leader? The idea that a Windsor is 'better' than 60 million people just because they are Windsors should have everyone's blood boiling-on the contrary, few here have a problem with it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 4, 2012
  • #137
Disorganised1 said:
Yeah - like we have so much ability to effect things now - who voted for a coalition ?

We give up our freedom for the right to mark a cross on a piece of paper once every 5 years. In reality government is decided by the few constituencies that actually can change. I've had Robinson for years as my MP ~ can anyone explain how that is a choice.
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Because GR has been elected by his constituents.
 

Disorganised1

New Member
  • Dec 4, 2012
  • #138
Yes very good - however I meant that there have been many questions over Mr Robinson's activities down the years, yet he has still been elected - I am saying that in most seats the winner is known in advance, thus Tony Blair's son being lined up for a Coventry seat.

The conservative party wins more votes than Labour, but comes second, the Liberal Democrats would have more seats if PR was introduced, my point is that for the majority of us, we do not have any influence on who is elected ~ so where is trhe democracy ?
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 4, 2012
  • #139
Voting is pointless.....

Mainly due the fact that even if you do effect a change of MP.....its just swapping one ex-public school boy with a silver spoon in his mouth for another....they just wear different colour ties....

....Ideology died in the 1980's.....

Now, we have a "choice" of 3 parties of bland over-privileged political class yes-men who have never had a proper job or lived in the real world since the day they were born (into the lap of luxury).

Tories, Labour, Lib Dems.....Same set of lying rich bastards with different colour ties.:jerkit:
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 4, 2012
  • #140
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Economically speaking a lot more money would be going the public's way in a large part due to the duchies and Crown Estates being handed back to the state. Furthermore with places like the Palace being free to visit all year round, tourism would likely benefit and bring more money in to the UK. Why are you so in favour of having a hereditary leader? The idea that a Windsor is 'better' than 60 million people just because they are Windsors should have everyone's blood boiling-on the contrary, few here have a problem with it.
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You can t really make people's blood boil though can you? Like you can t force your opinion on others. There are lots of things that make my blood boil that you would probably not have a problem with. Everyone is different, for now at least
 
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