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The JR (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter Nick
  • Start date Oct 7, 2014
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #1
If the council go ahead and sell up and it turns out to be a really low price, would this in any way effect the JR appeal? Would it null it because the debt is no longer with ACL, would it strengthen SISU's argument?
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #2
Nick said:
If the council go ahead and sell up and it turns out to be a really low price, would this in any way effect the JR appeal? Would it null it because the debt is no longer with ACL, would it strengthen SISU's argument?
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its CCFC, I would suggest it prob lengthens it
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #3
I think the JR is based on decisions made in respect of info known at the time, stuff that happens later isn't taken into account.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #4
Rusty Trombone said:
I think the JR is based on decisions made in respect of info known at the time, stuff that happens later isn't taken into account.
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Ah so they have to see the situation as it was then and can't take stuff that happened since into account?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #5
Nick said:
Ah so they have to see the situation as it was then and can't take stuff that happened since into account?
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Like the lease going to Wasps and not SISU as they are showing no intention to negotiate for it and follow it through. Even more they have stated that they are not interested in it.
 

Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #6
or they could raise a fresh claim based on new information???
 

spider_ricoh

New Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #7
It looks to me liek a higher price in any case, so this doesn't arise. It wouldo mean they had to pretty much start again with the legal case, as subsequent developments were not in the frame of reference of the original judgement. SISU's main line aof attack could be that when Wasps made a bit the council did not encourage an open market from other bidders, but to be honest I think that argument would fall down as well - it's not as if anyone was specifically discouraged from bidding, CCC said at all times they were open to offers and would sell given the right offer - this seems to be what has happened.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #8
Astute said:
Like the lease going to Wasps and not SISU as they are showing no intention to negotiate for it and follow it through. Even more they have stated that they are not interested in it.
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You would think a priority now would be to find out what Sisu's intentions for the club are ?
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #9
Nick said:
Ah so they have to see the situation as it was then and can't take stuff that happened since into account?
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That came up several times in the original case, SISU tried to slip more evidence in that used the benefit of hindsight & were knocked back.
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #10
Nick said:
Ah so they have to see the situation as it was then and can't take stuff that happened since into account?
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That's what I believe, but bear in mind nearly all of my legal knowledge is based on reading shite that appears on your site. So please blame yourself if I'm wrong.
 

Rusty Trombone

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  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #11
Covstu said:
or they could raise a fresh claim based on new information???
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Nope, would still be based on info available at the time the loan decision was made.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #12
Astute said:
Like the lease going to Wasps and not SISU as they are showing no intention to negotiate for it and follow it through. Even more they have stated that they are not interested in it.
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Give it a rest will you? It was a serious question.

Like a broken record.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #13
Nick said:
Give it a rest will you? It was a serious question.

Like a broken record.
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Yeah, leave it out Ant off Ant and Dec.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #14
Nick said:
Give it a rest will you? It was a serious question.

Like a broken record.
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It was a serious answer. And a truthful answer that you don't have a serious answer to.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #15
Astute said:
It was a serious answer. And a truthful answer that you don't have a serious answer to.
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Because to be honest as soon as I see your avatar I switch off because it's usually one of a few things.

My question was could it make a difference either way, how does your post answer?

Get your lad back online
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #16
sky blue john said:
You would think a priority now would be to find out what Sisu's intentions for the club are ?
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I think the club is an annoyance for them whilst trying to build their property portfolio.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #17
I think that although current events provide back ground the case has to be assessed and decided on what was known at the time the decision to make the loan was made
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #18
oldskyblue58 said:
I think that although current events provide back ground the case has to be assessed and decided on what was known at the time the decision to make the loan was made
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I guess it makes sense, but what happens if some hardcore evidence comes out that proves it beyond doubt. Could that not be used?
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #19
Nick said:
I guess it makes sense, but what happens if some hardcore evidence comes out that proves it beyond doubt. Could that not be used?
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Only if it was known at the time.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #20
Rusty Trombone said:
Only if it was known at the time.
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On one hand it makes sense, but on the other hand that is crazy. (Not that I am saying there is any evidence before anybody starts, just the rules / laws in general)
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 7, 2014
  • #21
Nick said:
On one hand it makes sense, but on the other hand that is crazy. (Not that I am saying there is any evidence before anybody starts, just the rules / laws in general)
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OSB and RT stated correctly that the original case was as things stood. And I correctly stated that they can't start one for what is happening now. Both of these are having to be like a broken record because of those that don't understand what has gone on and what still is going on.

And the original case isn't crazy. All they could go on is that the letter of the law was kept to with the information available at that time was kept to and not what wasn't known about.
 
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