Ccfcisparks
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That was last summer but yes I’d play him also
That was last summer but yes I’d play him alsoKitching?
You are right he doesn’t deserve another start, however I think he played Saturday due to his Chelsea connections rather than the others being poor in training. It will be interesting to see how things develop.The stats are horrendous.
Sheff United had 2 shots on target we conceded 2 goals!
Burnley had 3 shots on target, we conceded 2 goals.
Cardiff had 4 shots on target and we conceded another 2 goals.
I don’t believe Collins deserves another start. If he starts against Millwall then what would it say about the way the others are performing in training…..
What a load of tosh , Collins has had to face the top sides in 3 out 4 of his appearances. He's not infallible but he has been left very exposed by the defenders.
Eurgh, Collins again.
I can’t recall Dovin dropping a clanger personally. We just need to back him like we did with Collins last season and if he’s not up to standard, we know what we need to do in the summer.Still don’t understand why Dovin was dropped. People on here moaned about him, but then again people on here are unhinged.
I agree I’d like to see Dovin given a fair chance, even if he makes couple of mistakes, he needs a bit of time to learn on the job.
The opposite problem to Wilson in 22/23. If he can get the golden glove and 22 CS in one season, it tells you that your defence is the most important piece in the jigsaw in relation to clean sheets.Doesn’t matter who the keeper is at the moment until they get some protection from the outfield players.
Doesn’t matter who the keeper is at the moment until they get some protection from the outfield players.
The opposite problem to Wilson in 22/23. If he can get the golden glove and 22 CS in one season, it tells you that your defence is the most important piece in the jigsaw in relation to clean sheets.
The stats take that into account, fact is Collins and Wilson concede goals the average keeper saves.What a load of tosh , Collins has had to face the top sides in 3 out 4 of his appearances. He's not infallible but he has been left very exposed by the defenders.
In goalKitching?
He's not bad at all, he's been mediocre which makes him our best keeper. He's also likely to improve from that point given his age unlike the others. Dropping him was silly.Is Dovin really “bad” we’ve hardly seen him play
I'd actually call him mediocre as well.Is Dovin really “bad” we’ve hardly seen him play
Those graphs paint all our goalkeepers in pretty negative light.
Michael Cooper was available for 2m - probably should have got him ahead of Dovin
Would have had Johansson but I’m not sure some would after he dropped the ball on Ellis’ head against us.
Onana is a very good keeperI will keep banging on the point that there really aren't many good keepers out there.
Look at the top level. There is a lack of quality keepers even at top clubs. United, Chelsea among others have pretty average keepers. And I think that is consistent through the leagues.
I actually think going for a young keeper who may develop was the right choice but our management of him hasn't been great. Our lack of an authoritative defender has meant a 'experienced' keeper is being picked over him to aid communicstion but that doesn't make up for their other weaknesses.
I think we need to persist with Dovin and I think there is a lot there to work with.
He did have a career year but a good goalkeeper will only add so much. Look at Johansson at Stoke, last season he conceded 89 goals and is considered a solid Championship goalkeeper.Not strictly true. Yes he had a good defence in front of him but he had an excellent season personally and was well above championship average for the season for shot stopping.
Yes he's been rubbish since and yes it may have been a total fluke, but he deserves a lot of credit for his performances that season.
Some of these are fairly standard saves, but not sure we'd have stopped that first one with Dovin, Wilson and Collins all stood in goal together
I know Moore had a few bad games and was the fall guy for the Wrexham debacle, but I do think Robins made a big error ostracising him the way he did. I'd rather him as the back up to a young keeper than any of the others we've got.
It’s easy to look at the shots on target to goals conceded (xgA v goals conceded too) and conclude the GK is the issue. It’s not. There was several goals in this stretch where opposition players are finding themselves free in the box and that is the issue. How many free shots do we get 6-10 yards from goal?!
No chance we offer Wilson a new contract.Id bin off Collins keep Wilson and Dovin. Wilson is a fairy experienced championship keeper who is vocal and a good shop stopper.
decide who is going to be number one between them and get rid of Collins. Collins never comes for a cross and thats two games now since hes been back we have conceded goals where he should have done better
We seemed to jump incredibly quickly to the conclusion that he was totally washed. Two more GK signings and one move to Sunderland later and it appears that was extremely hasty on our part.I know Moore had a few bad games and was the fall guy for the Wrexham debacle, but I do think Robins made a big error ostracising him the way he did. I'd rather him as the back up to a young keeper than any of the others we've got.
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