GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee
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This x1000.
This x1000.Could just be that referees have an incredibly difficult job, simply call what they see & are human meaning they sometimes make mistakes (probably less than the average player in any given game).
Could just be that referees have an incredibly difficult job, simply call what they see & are human meaning they sometimes make mistakes (probably less than the average player in any given game).
Without VAR then things will get missed, doesn't explain the madness of the officials controlling VAR.
Even without it, there are so many random decisions most games as well.
The worst is when refs and linos have no clue which way to award a throw and then just guess like its rock, paper, scissors. There's also no consistency.
Genuine question as I don't know the answer. What do they do to improve recruitment? Is there any system to fast track former players to PL / EFL officials?Match fixing is obviously different to general competence. The only ‘consequence’ would be demotion to a lower league or being sacked.
We don’t have enough as it is-how is removing even more going to raise standards?
While we're talking about VAR why on earth do they have the officials in the video room sat there in a refs kitWithout VAR then things will get missed, doesn't explain the madness of the officials controlling VAR.
Genuine question as I don't know the answer. What do they do to improve recruitment? Is there any system to fast track former players to PL / EFL officials?
Can we be sure it didn’t effect our conceding the goal? Bidwell at the near post would have been expected to attack the ball, and at the very least, disrupt the corner?Thought the ref had a good game personally. He potentially could have seen that incident differently but to my eyes Wilson wasn't completely innocent & a yellow each seemed fair enough.
The foul on Bidwell from the resulting corner, yes possibly but didn't effect the goal in any way.
Can we be sure it didn’t effect our conceding the goal? Bidwell at the near post would have been expected to attack the ball, and at the very least, disrupt the corner?
True, there was no real complaint. In a way that just shows what’s now accepted in the game, manhandling a player to stop him going for a ball. I still think it would have been interesting if VAR had been available, although it would have required our players to kick up a fuss, something we appear reluctant to do.He tracks Tella to the near post, nowhere near the flight of the ball. Tbh, there's not much in it anyway & it's pretty telling that Bidwell nor any other player makes any kind of complaint about it.
Very Arrogant RefereeWhile we're talking about VAR why on earth do they have the officials in the video room sat there in a refs kit
On this forum we sometimes debate a decision for days afterwards, with the benefit of multiple replays from different angles. How are officials at pitch level supposed to go through 90 minutes without making a number of (possible) errors? Accept that wrong decisions are bound to happen, and over a season it will even itself out.
It might be easier to retain good referees if football didn’t have an aggressive culture of ‘getting in the ref’s face’ (often spouted on here too). Other sports don’t tolerate it.
It doesn't have to be "getting in their face" to hold them to account though.
Of course there will be massive differences in errors and how obvious they are but what's the issue with them being held to account for them?
I think objective mistakes are different from subjective ones. One shouldn’t happen the others will always happen.It doesn't have to be "getting in their face" to hold them to account though.
Of course there will be massive differences in errors and how obvious they are but what's the issue with them being held to account for them?
Couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately the modern football fan prefers to see refereeing mistakes as a sign of some kind of grand conspiracy against their favourite club.Could just be that referees have an incredibly difficult job, simply call what they see & are human meaning they sometimes make mistakes (probably less than the average player in any given game).
TrueCouldn’t agree more. Unfortunately the modern football fan prefers to see refereeing mistakes as a sign of some kind of grand conspiracy against their favourite club.
Yep. As I say I’ve enjoyed watching games lots more thinking of the ref as a helpful part of the game.Couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately the modern football fan prefers to see refereeing mistakes as a sign of some kind of grand conspiracy against their favourite club.
This …..Also, most decisions are very subjective. A referee has 1 view & 1 moment to make a decision based on what he saw. Add to that, as mentioned before, the overwhelming majority of people calling out what they believe to be "mistakes" don't know or understand the Laws of the Game.
Fwiw I hate VAR & think it has only made things worse. It's trying to 'fix' things that didn't need fixing, using tech that's not up to the job & just added a further layer of subjectivity and confusion.
I think Brian Clough’s words on refereeing to John Motson still stand. A split second decision from one viewpoint with tens of thousands of people shouting and singing, plus the cameras on.
I did it till my early 20s but the line was crossed when I got assaulted after a game that I’d agreed to do at the last minute. Scottish FA did nothing to help so I chose to pack it in.
Is that really the case??Sad to hear that, your story will be one of thousands similar unfortunately.
The FA really need to clamp down on referee abuse but they're happy to let it continue as they just keep coining it in with fines etc.
Is that really the case??
I think Brian Clough’s words on refereeing to John Motson still stand. A split second decision from one viewpoint with tens of thousands of people shouting and singing, plus the cameras on.
I did it till my early 20s but the line was crossed when I got assaulted after a game that I’d agreed to do at the last minute. Scottish FA did nothing to help so I chose to pack it in.
ProbablyI don't know, just my cynical view.
Bans etc. are all incredibly lenient though don't you think? If they were serious about it then assaulting an official should be a lifetime ban from all forms of the game not a small amount of months ban from a certain league/competition.
That's shit, sorry to hear that.
I never did it properly, but in Amsterdam last year I volunteered to ref a game (that I was supposed to be playing in) because none of the officials turned up. The game was close to finishing (my team losing 4-3), my own coach and some of the players of my own team turned on me because I didn't give them a freekick for something I viewed as a fair challenge. I had already given them two penalties in that game as well. That was my own team mates and coach who just couldn't see through the whistle and stopwatch and were shouting and swearing at me. I gave them a good talking to after the game, furious given that I had sacrificed my own playing time to get the game on for that.
In another match, we played some Morrocans and after a brawl (and one their players sent off for throwing a punch at me, which missed) they cleared the bench and surrounded the ref. He abandoned the game and they were threatening him, asking where he lived, and filming him with their phones.
It isn't surprising no one wants to do it.
It’s all part of the game is the other argument, my own worst was severe verbal abuse pretty horrific personal abuse and very bad language. Under 12 game!! Off duty police officer came up after the game and gave a witness statement,That’s also pretty reprehensible. My worst was at Power League at Woodlands, must have been 17 and I had people screaming in my face threatening to beat the shit out of me over a 5 a side game. I never went there again either.
It’s all part of the game is the other argument, my own worst was severe verbal abuse pretty horrific personal abuse and very bad language. Under 12 game!! Off duty police officer came up after the game and gave a witness statement,
the parents problem was I’d only given a foul to his son!!!
Just wow
Having parents on one side and coaches on the other makes a huge difference having them outside the pitch makes a huge difference
Think potentially parents should drop kids off and leave. If they have to be there then they have to stay quiet
People who haven’t played for a long time also forget that it’s a very different game at eye level than sat in the stand or watching on tvYep. As I say I’ve enjoyed watching games lots more thinking of the ref as a helpful part of the game.
Massively and they forget they have a huge responsibility for the game as a whole too. Roy Keane shouldn’t be anywhere near the game given what he did and has talked about since. His voice and opinion is toxic and should be ignored. There are others too.People who haven’t played for a long time also forget that it’s a very different game at eye level than sat in the stand or watching on tv
Massively and they forget they have a huge responsibility for the game as a whole too. Roy Keane shouldn’t be anywhere near the game given what he did and has talked about since. His voice and opinion is toxic and should be ignored. There are others too.
Don’t get me wrong opinions are useful and interesting just when people have deliberately finished another persons career on purpose why are we listening to his opinion on a decision
Yep. I wouldn’t mind if people acknowledge they were wrong and seek to ensure the game works well and I know it’s a balanceI don’t see why Gary Neville gets to comment on managers given his own failed stint and his tendency to sack those at Salford
I don’t see why Gary Neville gets to comment on managers given his own failed stint and his tendency to sack those at Salford
You'd think that assault should be more than just a lifetime ban. It should be prosecuted for the crime that it is. There seem to be some who think that they get an exception because it's football.I don't know, just my cynical view.
Bans etc. are all incredibly lenient though don't you think? If they were serious about it then assaulting an official should be a lifetime ban from all forms of the game not a small amount of months ban from a certain league/competition.
It doesn't help referees when laws like offside and handball have become so convoluted that it's almost impossible to give a 'correct' decsion because there is always an argument against heir decision.I think objective mistakes are different from subjective ones. One shouldn’t happen the others will always happen.
And at the top top level there are some objective mistakes hence the decision that rashford wasn’t offside
Also the going off the pitch for injuries or substitutions.
The reason they happen is there’s so much to remember. Also laws are tinkered with
sometimes during the season
Since my lad has started I’ve watched the referees with much more understanding and patience. The prem ref who did Cardiff was so much better than the following two and you could see the difference.
The point frostie makes us absolutely correct. If you don’t have thousands at the grassroots level you don’t get the cream of the crop at the top.
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