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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (12 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,216
Sorry. Didn’t mean to triple reply to the same person there. But seriously! Why on earth do you personally want a no deal?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,217
shmmeee said:
the collapse of the UK as an economic power?
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It's OK, we should expect the opposite of what experts say, because now and again they get predictions wrong. Far better to go on a random hunch then to listen to those who spend their lives studying such things.

What we should also do is pull out the odd rogue 'expert' who's in the minority, to prove that experts agree it'll be alright on the night.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,218
shmmeee said:
Sorry. Didn’t mean to triple reply to the same person there. But seriously! Why on earth do you personally want a no deal?
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Because I want sovereignty and to make our own decisions the world will not end on 30th March keep calm and carry on don’t listen to the doom mongers!!
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,219
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's OK, we should expect the opposite of what experts say, because now and again they get predictions wrong. Far better to go on a random hunch then to listen to those who spend their lives studying such things.
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But even those that say it won’t be a disaster want us to create free trade deals. Literally the only people pushing no deal are traitors like Farage, Banks, JRM and the likes of Putin all of whom want to see the UK destroyed so they can benefit.

Where is the great popular uprising for no deal? Is it all so they don’t have to admit they just don’t like foreigners that much?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,220
westcountry_skyblue said:
Because I want sovereignty and to make our own decisions the world will not end on 30th March keep calm and carry on don’t listen to the doom mongers!!
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Parliament have made the decision to reject no deal.

Sovereignty in action!
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,221
Just been in the local shop and laughing at all the headlines basically making out Bercow is a traitor and has stopped brexit single handedly by blocking a third vote on a deal that just last week they were declaring wasn’t brexit and was a betrayal. Nothing like whipping up a storm
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,222
westcountry_skyblue said:
Because I want sovereignty and to make our own decisions the world will not end on 30th March keep calm and carry on don’t listen to the doom mongers!!
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We have sovereignty! Our parliament is sovereign and always has been.

We had a trade deal, and they inevitably result in taking regulations on so that you can sell into a market.

With the EU we were heavy hitters on par with China and the US and had far more power than we should have thanks to having shit hot diplomats. Now we’re the weedy teenager in the pub picking on the local yardies. We’re gonna do what we’re told or get buttfucked. Yay “sovereignty”!

Our power is in diplomacy and historic links and our language. It’s not economic or military. To remove ourselves from the centre of the biggest trading block is insanity. It’s fighting on the global stage with one arm tied behind our back. It’s the end of Britain as a global power. You’ve not gamed the system, you’ve been had by a bunch of chancers who are pissing themselves at you as they shuffle their assets abroad.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,223
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Jezza wants to leave the EU
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westcountry_skyblue said:
So what do you think will happen,There is 3 countries that will vote against an extension.
Poland,Hungary and Italy it only needs one of those!!
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They would have 26 problems if they did.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

Guest
  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,224
My Money is on no deal get on now 7/2 !!!
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,225
tisza said:
Many of these "responsible" Tories are inevitably going not to make it through the next general election as their local associations don't reselect them.

UKIP has gone. Disappeared at last election as it was a single issue group and subsequent move to a far right party has seen its support collapse. Even if Brexit were threatened unlikely UKIP could reinvent itself to become the vehicle for people to rally around.
As a country we don't support the far right. Likes of BNP and NF garner next to no support. In proportionate terms UK far right always been behind European counterparts. Likes of FN, AFD, Jobbik etc would never take any level of support in UK.
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Farage was a NF supporter at School. His teachers were worried about his far right and racist views and didn’t want him to be a prefect. Especially after him singing Hitler Youth songs whilst pissed on a school trip. He is still on TV and radio more than most elected MPs. The good thing is that his march may be the end of him and hopefully some of his supporters may start to wake up to the damage his populism has caused the UK.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,226
martcov said:
Farage was a NF supporter at School. His teachers were worried about his far right and racist views and didn’t want him to be a prefect. Especially after him singing Hitler Youth songs whilst pissed on a school trip. He is still on TV and radio more than most elected MPs. The good thing is that his march may be the end of him and hopefully some of his supporters may start to wake up to the damage his populism has caused the UK.
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What about Labour singing about the red flag?
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,227
westcountry_skyblue said:
What about Labour singing about the red flag?
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What about it? Oh Tannenbaum Oh Tannenbaum... a German Christmas tune/ song

They always do that , but I think that is more symbolic than anything else.

Don’t remember Blair being particularly revolutionary..
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,228
westcountry_skyblue said:
What about Labour singing about the red flag?
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Plus the NF were admirers of the Nazis. I heard John Tyndall speak in Coventry and noticed that he was throwing in direct quotes from Hitler into his speech. Martin Webster wanted all blonde bodyguard as as a sort of mini SS. Tyndall took part in Operation Spearhead in the early 60s and wore a Nazi style Uniform then.

One of their chants was „there ain’t no black in the Union Jack.“

The red flag song is relatively harmless in comparison.

They actually meant what they said and Farage was an admirer of them. They disgusted me. One reason why I cannot stand Farage.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

Guest
  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,229
I had a few hundred on us to vote LEAVE @ 11/2 on the night might make you a few quid?
 
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westcountry_skyblue

Guest
  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,230
martcov said:
Plus the NF were admirers of the Nazis. I heard John Tyndall speak in Coventry and noticed that he was throwing in direct quotes from Hitler into his speech. Martin Webster wanted all blonde bodyguard as as a sort of mini SS. Tyndall took part in Operation Spearhead in the early 60s and wore a Nazi style Uniform then.

One of their chants was „there ain’t no black in the Union Jack.“

The red flag song is relatively harmless in comparison.

They actually meant what they said and Farage was an admirer of them. They disgusted me. One reason why I cannot stand Farage.
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I don't condone Right wing fascists but Stalin and Mao killed more!!!
 
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Grappa

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,231
westcountry_skyblue said:
I don't condone Right wing fascists but Stalin and Mao killed more!!!
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Well you kind of are condoning 'right wing fascists' by placing them lower in the league table of pogroms, purges and genocides.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,232
westcountry_skyblue said:
I don't condone Right wing fascists but Stalin and Mao killed more!!!
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True, but it’s not communists that are the leading populists in the Brexit debate.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,233
Deleted member 5849 said:
Parliament have made the decision to reject no deal.

Sovereignty in action!
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Today....
Mr Barnier also warned that UK MPs voting against "no deal" would not prevent it from happening, saying that "everyone should now finalise all preparations for a no-deal scenario".
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,234
Captain Dart said:
Today....
Mr Barnier also warned that UK MPs voting against "no deal" would not prevent it from happening, saying that "everyone should now finalise all preparations for a no-deal scenario".
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Well he has a duty to say it,a lot of UK MPs seem to live in an alternate universe
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,235
Sick Boy said:
There is minimal chance of Poland or Hungary going for it and you’re off your heard if you genuinely believe Italy is about to veto it.

There’s zero talk over here in Italy of anything like that happening, not even Salvini would do something so stupid.

I think there will be a long extension followed by a GE or a cross party plan. I still think the EEA could happen.
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Enter the French..."France ready to veto any meaningless Brexit delay: Elysee official" - France ready to veto any meaningless Brexit delay: Elysee official | Reuters

Not long to wait to see what happens next at least.

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,236
Deleted member 5849 said:
Parliament have made the decision to reject no deal.

Sovereignty in action!
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Unless the EU choose not to extend...then funnily enpugh that sovereingty has failed

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,237
Sick Boy said:
Well he has a duty to say it,a lot of UK MPs seem to live in an alternate universe
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Is he suddenly our Head of State now?

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,238
westcountry_skyblue said:
My Money is on no deal get on now 7/2 !!!
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Hold on a minute

West country

Trying to profit from Brexit

 
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skybluetony176

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,239
Ahhh. I see the way it’s going with leavers. If we don’t leave without a deal at the end of the month it’s sovereignties fault. If we’re forced to leave without a deal at the end of the month it’s the EU’s fault. Leave take no responsibility for the vote.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,240
SkyblueBazza said:
Unless the EU choose not to extend...then funnily enpugh that sovereingty has failed

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Funnily enough we not only voted to leave we also set our own countdown. Bit odd to blame the bouncer for saying time's up
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,241
westcountry_skyblue said:
Didn't the two main parties say in their manifesto's they'd respect the vote?Fcuking snakes!!!
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Thing is dude you probably call Corbyn a prick but he's at least trying to polish the big Brexit turd-mistakenly imo, but making some attempt.

Vote Tory get numbskulls
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,242
SkyblueBazza said:
Unless the EU choose not to extend...then funnily enpugh that sovereingty has failed

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The EU doesn’t choose not to extend. The 2 years of internal squabbling about how we want to leave runs out. We can extend according to the EU. All we have to do is say why we want an extension, and the reason has to be a sensible one. Simples.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 19, 2019
  • #33,243
Captain Dart said:
Today....
Mr Barnier also warned that UK MPs voting against "no deal" would not prevent it from happening, saying that "everyone should now finalise all preparations for a no-deal scenario".
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It is amazing that he has to explain the bloody obvious to our government.
 

Astute

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  • Mar 20, 2019
  • #33,244
Grendel said:
Why do you keep saying peoples vote? Perhaps you’d like to explain why the Lib Dem’s did yet failed so badly in the last election - most labour MPs are against this
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People's vote is the same as remoaners and similar.

We already had the people's vote. It was what put us into this predicament. Now it is an MP thing.

I still think that if the vote went ahead that it would be very close. And I have a feeling it would go the way of leave again. There is a lot of people not allowed to vote. But when asked in a poll they are allowed to say remain.
 
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  • Mar 20, 2019
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SkyblueBazza said:
Unless the EU choose not to extend...then funnily enpugh that sovereingty has failed

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We're always in control of whether we choose to leave the EU without a deal.
 
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Astute

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  • Mar 20, 2019
  • #33,246
shmmeee said:
Why do you want no deal?

Wasn’t the whole point of Brexit to allow us to be a global trading nation?
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If you put it that way and it is what you want the best way forward is a no deal. Because if we continue with close ties with the EU we won't be able to make trade deals with anyone else.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 20, 2019
  • #33,247
skybluetony176 said:
Just been in the local shop and laughing at all the headlines basically making out Bercow is a traitor and has stopped brexit single handedly by blocking a third vote on a deal that just last week they were declaring wasn’t brexit and was a betrayal. Nothing like whipping up a storm
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UK democracy 'all but dead' - Trump Jr

What a knob this guy is
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 20, 2019
  • #33,248
Astute said:
If you put it that way and it is what you want the best way forward is a no deal. Because if we continue with close ties with the EU we won't be able to make trade deals with anyone else.
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We will have a close relationship with our biggest trading partner and therefore some sort of trade deal will be possible, and we may latch on to EU ROW trade deals,at least partly, through our regulatory alignment, or close regulatory alignment, to the EU. We are attempting to roll over a total of 40 trade deals on that basis.
 

Astute

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  • Mar 20, 2019
  • #33,249
martcov said:
We will have a close relationship with our biggest trading partner and therefore some sort of trade deal will be possible, and we may latch on to EU ROW trade deals,at least partly, through our regulatory alignment, or close regulatory alignment, to the EU. We are attempting to roll over a total of 40 trade deals on that basis.
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And if we do that the EU won't allow us to make trade deals with anyone else.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 20, 2019
  • #33,250
Astute said:
People's vote is the same as remoaners and similar.

We already had the people's vote. It was what put us into this predicament. Now it is an MP thing.

I still think that if the vote went ahead that it would be very close. And I have a feeling it would go the way of leave again. There is a lot of people not allowed to vote. But when asked in a poll they are allowed to say remain.
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People’s Vote is the name of the campaign for a second Brexit referendum campaign. „Remoaners“ is an insult from leavers with weak or non existent arguments.

No comparison.

Nice that people like myself are allowed to say remain. Thanks.

I am not sure that your excuse for polls always showing a remain lead is because they ask people who are not allowed to vote is correct.

The Farage ramble and the desperate slurs on Bercow from the tabloids, who is actually doing his job, despite being a conservative, show the sheer desperation of leave. The lies from Esther McVey and co and refusal by leading leavers to join in a people’s vote to confirm their Brexit mess, shows that they don’t think people would confirm Brexit if asked to. Otherwise it would be a rush to „bring it on“, not „for God’s sake don’t let the people have a second chance now they have seen Brexit for what it is“.
 
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