The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
Stick to the topic guys. So chances of pariliament voting for a deal that hasn’t changed in the 6 weeks since they rejected it by the biggest margin ever.

I’m thinking 0%

Been looking at this

Commons debating next steps for Brexit

Describes it well. But the reader comments and the way they were.voted for is a surprise for me. I wonder if most are older or live up North. We always read that another referendum would be close. But whenever you look at comments it suggests differently.

I am still sure that a no deal won't happen. We have some properties to view in France as soon as we are 100% sure. But I am now getting a bit worried on if it goes to another referendum instead. More people are saying leave without a deal than saying we should remain.

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

martcov said:
Yes, of course they classed him as a war criminal:

„He wants war for war’s sake. War is an end in itself to him. He wished it, pushed for it, and prepared for it out of a stupid, destructive drive. He is one of those characters of the political underworld who rise through chaos, who announce chaos, who cause chaos. For countless people the war brings vast suffering, for countless children hunger and disease, for countless mothers and women streams of tears. For him, it is no more than a big horse race that he wants to take part in.“ Joesph Goebbels.

You said the Nazis stated that they were going to take Churchill to court on the charge of being a war criminal. Then you stated that is why you continued to go on about Churchill being a war criminal.

Grow up. This thread isn't about finding out who was the worse war criminal. It isn't about how many war criminals there are or were in the UK. It is about our futures. But if you want to continue to come out with lies so you can have digs at the UK I will continue to pull you up on it.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 27, 2019

Astute said:
So Rosenberg could decide things for Hitler?

This sucking up to Mart is getting past a joke.

This insistence that the Nazis would have let Churchill get away and would then have prosecuted themselves is ridiculous.

I don’t know Mart. But I do see you persisting with nonsensical arguments that need to be refuted. You didn’t believe that the Nazis thought him a war criminal. Now you move the goalposts.

Give it up, it’s embarrassing

martcov · Feb 27, 2019

Astute said:
You said the Nazis stated that they were going to take Churchill to court on the charge of being a war criminal. Then you stated that is why you continued to go on about Churchill being a war criminal.

Grow up. This thread isn't about finding out who was the worse war criminal. It isn't about how many war criminals there are or were in the UK. It is about our futures. But if you want to continue to come out with lies so you can have digs at the UK I will continue to pull you up on it.

There are loads of things saying that Churchill is a war criminal on google. I haven’t even mentioned them. I only said that I know the Nazis saw him as a war criminal. Why you are going round in circles I don’t know. I can find loads of quotes Churchill on Hitler in google, but few Hitler on Churchill. I would have to read loads of books to find a quote, but Goebbels and Rosenberg have been quoted and they were very high up. Do you think Hitler didn’t think Churchill was a war criminal? I haven’t lied and I didn’t even bring the subject up, despite your lies. You just lie non stop and try and prove a point which is meaningless, as, if I wanted to list things that Churchill did which are war crimes, or are accused of being war crimes,I would have absolutely plenty of material. Even if I had lied and Hitler didn’t think Churchill was a war criminal, how does that help prove whatever it is you think you are proving? I am not having a dig at England or Churchill. Just confirming that the Nazis saw him as a war criminal at the time. Some people in Germany still do. You should grow up and stop misquoting me all the time. If you have evidence that the Nazis didn’t see Churchill as a war criminal just link it on here and that’s the discussion over. I didn’t want to go on about Churchill, you did and haven’t stopped. I’m not that interested. As I said, he has good points and bad points.

martcov · Feb 27, 2019

Astute said:
What did you say liar?

Are you going to take back the lies you said about me and the made up quotes? No, of course you aren‘t. Liar.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 27, 2019

martcov said:
There are loads of things saying that Churchill is a war criminal on google. I haven’t even mentioned them. I only said that I know the Nazis saw him as a war criminal. Why you are going round in circles I don’t know. I can find loads of quotes Churchill on Hitler in google, but few Hitler on Churchill. I would have to read loads of books to find a quote, but Goebbels and Rosenberg have been quoted and they were very high up. Do you think Hitler didn’t think Churchill was a war criminal? I haven’t lied and I didn’t even bring the subject up, despite your lies. You just lie non stop and try and prove a point which is meaningless, as, if I wanted to list things that Churchill did which are war crimes, or are accused of being war crimes,I would have absolutely plenty of material. Even if I had lied and Hitler didn’t think Churchill was a war criminal, how does that help prove whatever it is you think you are proving? I am not having a dig at England or Churchill. Just confirming that the Nazis saw him as a war criminal at the time. Some people in Germany still do. You should grow up and stop misquoting me all the time. If you have evidence that the Nazis didn’t see Churchill as a war criminal just link it on here and that’s the discussion over. I didn’t want to go on about Churchill, you did and haven’t stopped. I’m not that interested. As I said, he has good points and bad points.

Ha, ha, ha. You didn't want to go on and on and on and on about Churchill ? Really ? You are brilliant.

Grendel · Feb 27, 2019

martcov said:
Yes, of course they classed him as a war criminal:

„He wants war for war’s sake. War is an end in itself to him. He wished it, pushed for it, and prepared for it out of a stupid, destructive drive. He is one of those characters of the political underworld who rise through chaos, who announce chaos, who cause chaos. For countless people the war brings vast suffering, for countless children hunger and disease, for countless mothers and women streams of tears. For him, it is no more than a big horse race that he wants to take part in.“ Joesph Goebbels.

Christ

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 27, 2019

martcov said:
Are you going to take back the lies you said about me and the made up quotes? No, of course you aren‘t. Liar.

Do you have a Charlie Chaplin moustache, hair like that bloke out of Sparks and a tendancy to smash your fist on the table ?

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 27, 2019

Today, I'll mostly be drinking meths, with a spot of turps for an aperitif

skybluetony176 · Feb 27, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
Today, I'll mostly be drinking meths, with a spot of turps for an aperitif

Take it with a nail varnish remover chaser.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 27, 2019

Astute said:
You said the Nazis stated that they were going to take Churchill to court on the charge of being a war criminal. Then you stated that is why you continued to go on about Churchill being a war criminal.

Grow up. This thread isn't about finding out who was the worse war criminal. It isn't about how many war criminals there are or were in the UK. It is about our futures. But if you want to continue to come out with lies so you can have digs at the UK I will continue to pull you up on it.

Clearly Astute, he's totally unhinged.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 27, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Do you have a Charlie Chaplin moustache, hair like that bloke out of Sparks and a tendancy to smash your fist on the table ?

I have a Conor Chaplin one and now keep walking into doors

Grendel · Feb 27, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
This insistence that the Nazis would have let Churchill get away and would then have prosecuted themselves is ridiculous.

I don’t know Mart. But I do see you persisting with nonsensical arguments that need to be refuted. You didn’t believe that the Nazis thought him a war criminal. Now you move the goalposts.

Give it up, it’s embarrassing

That’s not actually the point though is it?

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 27, 2019

Grendel said:
That’s not actually the point though is it?

That’s the line of attack though G. Mart says the Nazis would have prosecuted Churchill and it turns into all kinds of bizarre accusations. Astute is worse at comprehension than Mrs May

martcov · Feb 27, 2019

Grendel said:
That’s not actually the point though is it?

It is the point.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 27, 2019

...oh no, don't ask him to elaborate please ,Grendal. Spare us.

martcov · Feb 27, 2019

Grendel said:
Christ

Exactly. Sort of hints that the Nazis saw the war as Churchill‘s fault.

skybluetony176 · Feb 27, 2019

Grendel said:
That’s not actually the point though is it?

I’m sure I’m going to regret asking but what is the point?

The opposite of what Mart has said is that the Nazi’s wouldn’t have sought retribution from their perceived enemies, which is just a completely mental suggestion.

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 27, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
...oh no, don't ask him to elaborate please ,Grendal. Spare us.

Tell Astute you like apples and he will demand that you apologise to oranges

martcov · Feb 27, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
...oh no, don't ask him to elaborate please ,Grendal. Spare us.

Look dumbfuck, I think you’ll find Grendel is spelt with el not al. Now feck off down the pub and get pissed as usual.

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
This insistence that the Nazis would have let Churchill get away and would then have prosecuted themselves is ridiculous.

I don’t know Mart. But I do see you persisting with nonsensical arguments that need to be refuted. You didn’t believe that the Nazis thought him a war criminal. Now you move the goalposts.

Give it up, it’s embarrassing

It isn't the subject. It is his lies. Then you back him up as usual.

He said the Nazis stated they were going to take Churchill to court on the charge of being a war criminal. This is an absolute lie. Then he comes out with bullshit about me for pointing out his lie.

No goalposts moved from me.

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Tell Astute you like apples and he will demand that you apologise to oranges

And you call me things for pointing out lies.

Great.

Maybe your problem is where I have pointed out where you have been wrong in the past. Or it is that Mart agrees with everything you say.

Whatever. It is all there in black and white.

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

Grendel said:
That’s not actually the point though is it?

We don't do points.

But some on here only do point scoring. They don't mind if it isn't the truth.

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Clearly Astute, he's totally unhinged.

Or anti UK but uses lies to cover it.

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

martcov said:
Look dumbfuck, I think you’ll find Grendel is spelt with el not al. Now feck off down the pub and get pissed as usual.

So who was the Nazi that you said they were going to take Churchill to court on the charge of being a war criminal?

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 27, 2019

Astute said:
And you call me things for pointing out lies.

Great.

Maybe your problem is where I have pointed out where you have been wrong in the past. Or it is that Mart agrees with everything you say.

Whatever. It is all there in black and white.

I have a problem with how you have gotten the wrong end of the stick so many times in this thread. I still don’t know if it’s because you can’t comprehend anything or because you reply on auto-pilot.

There isn’t some secret pact. I think you’re wrong so I’m refuting it

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I have a problem with how you have gotten the wrong end of the stick so many times in this thread. I still don’t know if it’s because you can’t comprehend anything or because you reply on auto-pilot.

There isn’t some secret pact. I think you’re wrong so I’m refuting it

I don't get the wrong end. I just totally dislike liars and lying. This thread has been full of them. And mainly from just a couple of people.

I prefer a thief to a liar. At least you know when something has been stolen.

So are you denying that Mart stated that the Nazis said they would take Churchill to court on the charge of being a war criminal for what happened at Dresden?

I suppose nothing important was going on at the time.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Feb 27, 2019

martcov said:
Look dumbfuck, I think you’ll find Grendel is spelt with el not al. Now feck off down the pub and get pissed as usual.

Hahaha. Thanks for the advice . Great that you've chosen not to ignore me any more. Let the fun commence . Easy game you are !

Brighton Sky Blue · Feb 27, 2019

Astute said:
It isn't the subject. It is his lies. Then you back him up as usual.

He said the Nazis stated they were going to take Churchill to court on the charge of being a war criminal. This is an absolute lie. Then he comes out with bullshit about me for pointing out his lie.

No goalposts moved from me.

You do realise that because they never invaded they never got round to deciding who the judge would be at the 1948 Westminster Trials.

They published countless pieces calling him a warmonger, a criminal, a Jewish puppet etc etc. They blamed Britain for starting the war and would have made an example of him. You made so many posts saying that someone doesn’t care about Nazi victims because he thinks the Nazis wouldn’t prosecute themselves.

FFS

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
I’m sure I’m going to regret asking but what is the point?

The opposite of what Mart has said is that the Nazi’s wouldn’t have sought retribution from their perceived enemies, which is just a completely mental suggestion.

The point is Marts constant lies which get defended by the same people all the time. And you are one of them.

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You do realise that because they never invaded they never got round to deciding who the judge would be at the 1948 Westminster Trials.

They published countless pieces calling him a warmonger, a criminal, a Jewish puppet etc etc. They blamed Britain for starting the war and would have made an example of him. You made so many posts saying that someone doesn’t care about Nazi victims because he thinks the Nazis wouldn’t prosecute themselves.

FFS

Are you saying Mart was coming out with the truth or are you just trying to change the subject?

Astute · Feb 27, 2019

And back on topic for once.

With the conclusion of the debate, Jeremy Corbyn moves the Labour frontbench amendment (a). Amendment (a) pushes for Labour's proposals for Brexit, which include creating a permanent customs union with the EU, and a close relationship with its single market. MPs are now voting on the amendment. The result is expected in around 15 minutes.

skybluetony176 · Feb 27, 2019

Astute said:
The point is Marts constant lies which get defended by the same people all the time. And you are one of them.

So do you believe for one moment that the Nazi’s wouldn’t have sought retribution of the big three leaders had they won the war?

martcov · Feb 27, 2019

Astute said:
It isn't the subject. It is his lies. Then you back him up as usual.

He said the Nazis stated they were going to take Churchill to court on the charge of being a war criminal. This is an absolute lie. Then he comes out with bullshit about me for pointing out his lie.

No goalposts moved from me.

Any proof that it is an absolute lie? No, thought not.

Grendel · Feb 27, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
So do you believe for one moment that the Nazi’s wouldn’t have sought retribution of the big three leaders had they won the war?

One as you’ve already pointed out was dead and it’s still missing the point

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