The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (11 Viewers)

Grendel · Feb 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
They’ve had far more leave panelist’s on question time than remain and straight after question time is a program presented by Andrew Neil who’s very much a leaver as is half his guest presenters and guests full stop. If they are biased it’s towards leave on that basis. As Clint kept asking where’s the positive stories, they barely exist. Are the BBC supposed to fabricate some so they report an equal amount of pro and against brexit stories? Maybe we should gag them so they can only produce a anti leave article when a pro leave article is available? It’s a classic case of shooting the messenger.

Hello Tony - I again - I would dispute that - As they always have to have two members of the main parties on the panel and they are in their current stance supporting the Brexit deal then there will always a proportion but I do not believe this at all.

Has Andrew Neil said which way he voted? I see no evidence whatsoever that is - the last two programmes I saw he had the absurd Ken Livingstone (who was torn apart) and that wretched little fool Owen Jones. Don't use links either from Master Jones to try and prove the point as he's been slapped down by Neil and the two are not best of pals - then again who would be with the self righteous twerp Jones

Grendel · Feb 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Fair enough. I stand corrected.

Talking about being light on factual accuracy have you had chance to read the document I PM’d you?

No PM from you Tony

Grendel · Feb 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
He was a thorn in the side of Blair’s government wasn’t he? He’s been highly critical of Corbyn also and especially over brexit. Is he a member of the Labour Party? I’ll have to take your word for that but his page on Channel 4 news doesn’t suggest he’s pro labour Gary Gibbon, Political Editor – Channel 4 News in fact he seems very proud of being anything but.

Ah its not the founder member and arch interviewer Mr Crick? It is he that I refer to

dutchman · Feb 7, 2019

martcov said:
What‘s that about bailing out German exporters? Been on the Breitbarts again?

I've seen forecasts of a million job losses in Germany in the event of a no deal Brexit. There's also the possibility of a chain reaction if there's a run on the Euro. Still, that's Germany's problem not Britain's.

dutchman · Feb 7, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
How do you work out the press are pro Eu?

From reading the news stories Google sends me 24/7.

martcov · Feb 7, 2019

dutchman said:
I've seen forecasts of a million job losses in Germany in the event of a no deal Brexit. There's also the possibility of a chain reaction if there's a run on the Euro. Still, that's Germany's problem not Britain's.

Seeing as Germany is a major trading partner of the UK there will of course be some negative effects on the UK. Hoping that Germany will also suffer because of Brexit sums up the stupidity of Brexit. „We’ll all suffer“ is a pathetic justification for Brexit.

martcov · Feb 7, 2019

dutchman said:
From reading the news stories Google sends me 24/7.

In other words the Brexit disaster is unfolding before your eyes and you put it down to the reports on it being biased.

Grendel · Feb 7, 2019

martcov said:
Seeing as Germany is a major trading partner of the UK there will of course be some negative effects on the UK. Hoping that Germany will also suffer because of Brexit sums up the stupidity of Brexit. „We’ll all suffer“ is a pathetic justification for Brexit.

You are desperate for the UK to suffer

skybluetony176 · Feb 7, 2019

Grendel said:
Hello Tony - I again - I would dispute that - As they always have to have two members of the main parties on the panel and they are in their current stance supporting the Brexit deal then there will always a proportion but I do not believe this at all.

Has Andrew Neil said which way he voted? I see no evidence whatsoever that is - the last two programmes I saw he had the absurd Ken Livingstone (who was torn apart) and that wretched little fool Owen Jones. Don't use links either from Master Jones to try and prove the point as he's been slapped down by Neil and the two are not best of pals - then again who would be with the self righteous twerp Jones

David Davis tried to claim otherwise on David Dimbleby’s final question time and Dimbleby made Davis look a right prick by correcting him with facts and figures. The panel has been far outweighed in favour of leavers. I don’t recall the exact numbers but I’m sure you’ll find a clip on YouTube if you’re that bothered.

I believe Andrew Neil confirmed it on Twitter. I don’t use Twitter myself but I’m sure I read it somewhere. Isn’t he the chairman of The Spectator also? Pretty sure that The Spectator has always been proudly a Eurosceptic publication. To suggest Neil is a remainer seems hardly credible at all. I do respect him as a journalist though, well at least as much as you can respect a journalist and if you said that he gives both sides an equal grilling I wouldn't disagree with you necessarily.

dutchman · Feb 7, 2019

martcov said:
Seeing as Germany is a major trading partner of the UK there will of course be some negative effects on the UK. Hoping that Germany will also suffer because of Brexit sums up the stupidity of Brexit. „We’ll all suffer“ is a pathetic justification for Brexit.

Germany will suffer as a result of the EU refusing to negotiate a realistic trade deal with Britain, not because of Brexit.

Nick · Feb 7, 2019

dutchman said:
Germany will suffer as a result of the EU refusing to negotiate a realistic trade deal with Britain, not because of Brexit.

All Merk and no pay

skybluetony176 · Feb 7, 2019

Grendel said:
No PM from you Tony

This link https://www.refworld.org/pdfid/3ddd0e4c4.pdf

You were trying to claim that the EU forced us to change the law by introducing protocol 13 when in fact protocol 13 was introduced by the Council of Europe, an organisation that predates the EU in any guise and by some time and we founded. On top of that at the time we changed the law protocol 13 didn’t even exist and wouldn’t for 4 years.

skybluetony176 · Feb 7, 2019

Grendel said:
Ah its not the founder member and arch interviewer Mr Crick? It is he that I refer to

Who’s a contributor not an editor. So the direction of channel four news is clearly not driven by some pro EU, loony left, Tory hater as I’m sure you’ll agree. Given the evidence.

Grendel · Feb 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
David Davis tried to claim otherwise on David Dimbleby’s final question time and Dimbleby made Davis look a right prick by correcting him with facts and figures. The panel has been far outweighed in favour of leavers. I don’t recall the exact numbers but I’m sure you’ll find a clip on YouTube if you’re that bothered.

I believe Andrew Neil confirmed it on Twitter. I don’t use Twitter myself but I’m sure I read it somewhere. Isn’t he the chairman of The Spectator also? Pretty sure that The Spectator has always been proudly a Eurosceptic publication. To suggest Neil is a remained seems hardly credible at all. I do respect him as a journalist though, well at least as much as you can respect a journalist and if you said that he gives both sides an equal grilling I wouldn't disagree with you necessarily.

There is no evidence that there has been more leavers - unless you claim Anna Soubrey is a leaver as she is in a party that voted leave

Andrew Neil is not the Editor of the Spectator and has no influence on its content

Grendel · Feb 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Who’s a contributor not an editor. So the direction of channel four news is clearly not driven by some pro EU, loony left, Tory hater as I’m sure you’ll agree. Given the evidence.

No its horrendously biased and Mr Crick in his selective interviews prove it. Crick is a founder member of C4 and pulls the strings - again I take you off ignore and you behave like a child

skybluetony176 · Feb 7, 2019

Grendel said:
There is no evidence that there has been more leavers - unless you claim Anna Soubrey is a leaver as she is in a party that voted leave

Andrew Neil is not the Editor of the Spectator and has no influence on its content

I’m sure you’re right. David Dimbleby is clearly a liar.

So Andrew Neil has aligned himself with a Eurosceptic publication because he’s a remainer? Strange tactic but if you say do.

skybluetony176 · Feb 7, 2019

Grendel said:
No its horrendously biased and Mr Crick in his selective interviews prove it. Crick is a founder member of C4 and pulls the strings - again I take you off ignore and you behave like a child

Behave like a child by correcting you? The only one behaving like a child is you as even when provided with direct links you can’t admit you got it wrong. Putting people on ignore just confirms your childish quality by throwing a tantrum sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la. So block me again all you like. No skin of my nose.

Grendel · Feb 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
I’m sure you’re right. David Dimbleby is clearly a liar.

So Andrew Neil has aligned himself with a Eurosceptic publication because he’s a remainer? Strange tactic but if you say do.

Rupert Murdoch owns two papers that are pro remain Tony as that’s their editorial direction Tony

martcov · Feb 7, 2019

dutchman said:
Germany will suffer as a result of the EU refusing to negotiate a realistic trade deal with Britain, not because of Brexit.

If Brexit wasn’t there we would have the best possible trade deal, but a bunch of scallywags have lied to the people and we will all suffer.

King of the Lesbians · Feb 7, 2019

Nick said:
All Merk and no pay

You been saving that one up?

martcov · Feb 7, 2019

Grendel said:
You are desperate for the UK to suffer

No, but I expect it to. Which is why Tusk said what he said.

martcov · Feb 7, 2019

Grendel said:
You are desperate for the UK to suffer

Any news of the promised benefits of Brexit ( apart from Germany suffering with the UK )?

Astute · Feb 7, 2019

Sick Boy said:
You’re backing yourself up with Guido, says it all.

Once. How about all the others including the EU giving taxpayers money to the BBC?

Astute · Feb 7, 2019

Sick Boy said:
For someone who claims to be impartial, you don’t post a balanced selection of sources

Because you and others are so biased.

Look at CVD. He agrees that the BBC is biased. But he never backs me up once.

Astute · Feb 7, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Haha cheers! The notion is that it’s pro-remain, which it isn’t. The more extreme elements of both sides seem to think it’s biased, so I’m not surprised you think it is.

So taking money off the EU means nothing?

I thought so.

Astute · Feb 7, 2019

martcov said:
I like watching the leavers forced to answer awkward questions. Did you see Farage being interviewed on Irish TV recently? Called out for his BS.

And back to the EU giving the BBC nearly five million euros......

Astute · Feb 7, 2019

martcov said:
Seeing as Germany is a major trading partner of the UK there will of course be some negative effects on the UK. Hoping that Germany will also suffer because of Brexit sums up the stupidity of Brexit. „We’ll all suffer“ is a pathetic justification for Brexit.

Yet you praise the EU for doing it the way they have. Says it all to me.

clint van damme · Feb 7, 2019

Astute said:
Because you and others are so biased.

Look at CVD. He agrees that the BBC is biased. But he never backs me up once.

I've posted it on these forum several times what do you want me to do put Astute said so as well in brackets?!

Astute · Feb 7, 2019

clint van damme said:
I've posted it on these forum several times what do you want me to do put Astute said so as well in brackets?!

Quote one of them that are taking the piss with their comments.

But it is more like a 'like' fest on here where most don't want to upset each other.

clint van damme · Feb 7, 2019

Astute said:
Quote one of them that are taking the piss with their comments.

But it is more like a 'like' fest on here where most don't want to upset each other.

What are you on about, quote one of them that is taking the piss?
You talk an incredible amount of shite at times

dutchman · Feb 7, 2019

martcov said:
If Brexit wasn’t there we would have the best possible trade deal

People who actually live here thought very different and voted accordingly!

Nick · Feb 7, 2019

King of the Lesbians said:
You been saving that one up?

Better get EUsed to it

skybluetony176 · Feb 7, 2019

Grendel said:
Rupert Murdoch owns two papers that are pro remain Tony as that’s their editorial direction Tony

Aside from the fact that that has nothing to do with what I actually said in the post you’re replying to the link that you yourself posted earlier today actually dismisses what you’ve just said.

Grendel · Feb 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Aside from the fact that that has nothing to do with what I actually said in the post you’re replying to the link that you yourself posted earlier today actually dismisses what you’ve just said.

You were saying Chairmanship suggested the same opinion as the press they Chair Tony - it doesn't

skybluetony176 · Feb 7, 2019

Grendel said:
You were saying Chairmanship suggested the same opinion as the press they Chair Tony - it doesn't

No I wasn’t. I was suggesting that he’s aligned himself with a Eurosceptic publication which he has. This is the second time I’ve used them exact words but you keep dismissing what I’ve said and tried to contrive it into me saying something else. I do note with interest that you haven’t dismissed or mentioned what I said about reading that he confirmed that he had voted leave on Twitter. I guess that confirms that what I read about his Twitter history is true. Otherwise you wouldn’t be going around the houses like you are.

You also said he isn’t the editor so doesn’t dictate the direction but then try to claim a Channel 4 news contributor sets the tone for Channel 4 news rather than the political editor who clearly isn’t a pro EU, Tory hating loony left. As usual you’re trying to have your cake and eat it with duality. Much like Murdock in the link you yourself provided to dismiss something I said (something I put my hands up to by the way) and now you’re saying the opposite regarding Murdock despite proving yourself wrong earlier today.

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