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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (19 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Sick Boy

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  • Jan 26, 2019
  • #30,136
Astute said:
Is there anything you like about the UK?
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What’s not being pro-monarchy got to do with not liking the UK? There’s no connection between the two whatsoever.

The fact I’ve spent so much time of this thread suggests that I do actually like the UK, you’ve just resorted to a lazy and vacuous notion that someone has to be anti UK if they don’t believe in the monarchy.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 26, 2019
  • #30,137
martcov said:
Food for thought:
£17bn already ripped out of UK public purse due to Brexit, research shows
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And then some had the cheek to blame working, tax paying migrants for their problems.
 
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Astute

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  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,138
Sick Boy said:
What’s not being pro-monarchy got to do with not liking the UK? There’s no connection between the two whatsoever.

The fact I’ve spent so much time of this thread suggests that I do actually like the UK, you’ve just resorted to a lazy and vacuous notion that someone has to be anti UK if they don’t believe in the monarchy.
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When was the last time you said anything good about the UK?
 

Astute

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  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,139
Sick Boy said:
And then some had the cheek to blame working, tax paying migrants for their problems.
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So a pro EU think tank says our GDP would be 2.3% higher if we hadn't voted leave and it is the gospel?

Just like the EU when it said we would be bottom for growth a few months ago. That was gospel until the numbers cane out. Germany, who they put near the top were actually near the bottom and we were near the top. But shall we just ignore that bit of propaganda?

Does anyone honestly agree with that article? Next they will be blaming Germany being in recession on us voting to leave.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,140
Astute said:
When was the last time you said anything good about the UK?
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Where’s your logic in asking that? One of the standard reasons brexit voters give for voting leave is they want the country to be great again whereas most remainers think the country is still great, hence voting not to change anything. If you want to start throwing the you hate the country accusation around I suggest you start with leavers. Remainers thought the country was great already.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,141
It’s also my experience that leavers tend to more anti monarchy than anyone. They just want their traditions back like drinking lager and tea, celebrating a foreign religion, eating curry ect but abolish the traditional monarchy.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,142
Astute said:
When was the last time you said anything good about the UK?
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Really? This is what you’re reduced to? It was actually yesterday in a conversation around the lunchtable with my partner’s grandmother if you must know
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,143
skybluetony176 said:
It’s also my experience that leavers tend to more anti monarchy than anyone. They just want their traditions back like drinking lager and tea, celebrating a foreign religion, eating curry ect but abolish the traditional monarchy.
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Really, you must be around a very narrow group of people Tony. It’s that type of stereotype that pisses a majority of Leavers off.

To all - I’m struggling to get my head around this Brexit conundrum (After yesterday ive given up on the ‘how the fuck do City never score’ conundrum !)

The EU and Ireland have finally been more explicit that a No Deal will need a hard border

The UK probably wants at least a time limit to the backstop to deal with concerns of being ‘trapped’ in it and get the vote through Parliament....which would avoid a No Deal and a hard border (I don’t necessarily agree that this is the best solution but I guess anything else would require opening up the whole withdrawal agreement)

Cooper/Grieve amendments want to remove a No deal from the table which removes this pressure on the EU/Ireland to accept an alternative/amendment....which would avoid the hard border and a No deal

Brexiteers/DUP won’t vote for Mays deal without a change to the backstop, even though it risks Brexit altogether (and they must know being ‘trapped’ in the backstop forever is extremely unlikely)

Unpick that ! It’s totally nonsensical ! Unless of course parties have ulterior motives ie Cooper/Grieve still hoping to stop Brexit and Brexiteers still hoping for a No Deal Brexit.

No wonder the QT audience looked/sounded pissed off !!!!
 

Astute

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  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,144
Sick Boy said:
Really? This is what you’re reduced to? It was actually yesterday in a conversation around the lunchtable with my partner’s grandmother if you must know
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Me reduced to? Not been reduced to anything. But yourself? All you ever do is have a go at the UK and most of the people who voted.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,145
Astute said:
Me reduced to? Not been reduced to anything. But yourself? All you ever do is have a go at the UK and most of the people who voted.
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Yet again another empty and vacuous post that’s based on nothing at all.

Considering that I’ve spent a lot of time on this thread it suggests that I want the very best for the UK and do care for its future.

I don’t think I’ve ever ‘had a go’ at the UK itself, that’s just something you’ve made up, again.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,146
CCFCSteve said:
Really, you must be around a very narrow group of people Tony. It’s that type of stereotype that pisses a majority of Leavers off.
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Not really sure why it would piss the majority off. Anti EU and anti Monarchy when you get down to the bare bones is the same principle, If you oppose one it would be natural to oppose the other.
 
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skyblueinBaku

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,147
SIR ERNIE said:
Great post Captain, says it all. There are plenty who won't hear a bad word said about the likes of Verhofstadt though.
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He is a hysterical clown, and I hope that after Brexit we'll hear no more from him.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,148
Project fear mate
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,149
Sick Boy said:
Yet again another empty and vacuous post that’s based on nothing at all.

Considering that I’ve spent a lot of time on this thread it suggests that I want the very best for the UK and do care for its future.

I don’t think I’ve ever ‘had a go’ at the UK itself, that’s just something you’ve made up, again.
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Everything you have posted suggests that you want what is best for yourself and anyone with a different outlook is wrong and thick.

Not the best way of going about a debate.

And BTW the royal family is a big part of what the UK is based on. You want rid.

Name one thing good about the UK.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,150
Astute said:
Everything you have posted suggests that you want what is best for yourself and anyone with a different outlook is wrong and thick.

Not the best way of going about a debate.

And BTW the royal family is a big part of what the UK is based on. You want rid.

Name one thing good about the UK.
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I’ve said for a while now about the EEA which is a compromise. I don’t think I’ve ever claimed anyone who disagrees with me is thick. However, others have abused those with different viewpoints and you’ve said nothing about that, I wonder why?

You’re great at making narratives up to suit your own viewpoint and agenda, it’s bizarre.

I also want what is best for the country and for my nephew who will continue to grow up there, he is my main priority in terms of the future of the UK, not myself.

The RF is not a big part of what the UK is based upon at all, what nonsense. The fact you’ve had to resort to debasing the debate around those who aren’t pro-royalty into somehow being anti British shows a lot about your mindset.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,151
Sick Boy said:
So what?
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Well you portray a negative view on it but many countries you would would deem as socially progressive have such an institution and it’s because of the constitution they have that they can operate as they are
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,152
Grendel said:
Well you portray a negative view on it but many countries you would would deem as socially progressive have such an institution and it’s because of the constitution they have that they can operate as they are
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It’s my own personal opinion of it, I accept its very much a minority opinion but even without a monarchy these countries would remain socially progressive.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,153
Sick Boy said:
It’s my own personal opinion of it, I accept its very much a minority opinion but even without a monarchy these countries would remain socially progressive.
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How would two elected chambers with elections at different time periods and a presidential figure likely from a party different to the elected government assist democracy?

It’s a sixth form argument I’m afraid like your private school rant based on prejudice. I don’t even like the royal family and I think the Duchy of Cornwall should go into public ownership but by default it’s a constitution that gives the one elected Parliament real ownership
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,154
Grendel said:
How would two elected chambers with elections at different time periods and a presidential figure likely from a party different to the elected government assist democracy?

It’s a sixth form argument I’m afraid like your private school rant based on prejudice. I don’t even like the royal family and I think the Duchy of Cornwall should go into public ownership but by default it’s a constitution that gives the one elected Parliament real ownership
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You’ve gone from it assisting in countries being socially progressive to increased democracy. I was originally defending myself as somehow not being pro monarchy was being anti UK, which is a pathetic argument.

My feelings about private schools have nothing to do with prejudice, just wanting to see a fairer system for all and more investment into the education sector.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,155
Sick Boy said:
You’ve gone from it assisting in countries being socially progressive to increased democracy. I was originally defending myself as somehow not being pro monarchy was being anti UK, which is a pathetic argument.

My feelings about private schools have nothing to do with prejudice, just wanting to see a fairer system for all and more investment into the education sector.
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Of course it’s prejudice - you want to deny wealthy people a legitimate right to follow a different path
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,156
martcov said:
I loved the UK when it was Cool Britannia, hosted the Olympics gave us so many great bands, but the recent surge of angry leavers and their stupidity- I am not ashamed to call a portion of leavers stupid... they literally are - has dented my patriotism somewhat.
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Some remainers are just arrogant , extremely bitter and obsessive.
Clearly one or two are just wankers.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,157
Grendel said:
Of course it’s prejudice - you want to deny wealthy people a legitimate right to follow a different path
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I’d rather more money was invested in education all round, making the need to go elsewhere redundant. The point is is that those with wealth are usually the ones in power, hence the lack of investment in the needs of the majority.

This disregard for those less well off by the wealthy is a key reason as to why many voted leave. In the long term these issues need to be addressed but your attitude seems to be very much I’m alright jack.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,158
Sick Boy said:
I’d rather more money was invested in education all round, making the need to go elsewhere redundant. The point is is that those with wealth are usually the ones in power, hence the lack of investment in the needs of the majority.

This disregard for those less well off by the wealthy is a key reason as to why many voted leave. In the long term these issues need to be addressed but your attitude seems to be very much I’m alright jack.
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I thought those who voted leave were all well off middle aged fat bastards.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,159
Sick Boy said:
I’d rather more money was invested in education all round, making the need to go elsewhere redundant. The point is is that those with wealth are usually the ones in power, hence the lack of investment in the needs of the majority.

This disregard for those less well off by the wealthy is a key reason as to why many voted leave. In the long term these issues need to be addressed but your attitude seems to be very much I’m alright jack.
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Strangely you see there were many politicians and business people who achieved a great deal from working class roots - until the Labour Party concluded an education for all policy was the way to go - other than for labour politicians of course

You live in Italy now? Do they have freedom of private education?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,160
Grendel said:
Strangely you see there were many politicians and business people who achieved a great deal from working class roots - until the Labour Party concluded an education for all policy was the way to go - other than for labour politicians of course

You live in Italy now? Do they have freedom of private education?
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I believe the figure is something around 6 or 7% of those who do attend private education. Society is different here though in terms of wealth, it doesn’t have the same level of inequality, it’s a more level playing field so to speak and not people living on credit
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,161
Sick Boy said:
I believe the figure is something around 6 or 7% of those who do attend private education. Society is different here though in terms of wealth, it doesn’t have the same level of inequality, it’s a more level playing field so to speak and not people living on credit
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What does living in credit have uk do with education? That’s a really random justification.

Also Italy has a bigger disparity between the rich and the poor so you are taking nonsense
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,162
Grendel said:
What does living in credit have uk do with education? That’s a really random justification.

Also Italy has a bigger disparity between the rich and the poor so you are taking nonsense
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I went off on a tangent. There’s a disparity between the north and the south, much like in the Uk, it’s also got higher levels of migrants coming into the country. Within society as a whole, there’s less inequality.

Home ownership is near to 80%, I wonder what it is in the UK? Obviously Italy is far from perfect and there is growing inequality but it’s happening across europe
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,163
Sick Boy said:
I went off on a tangent. There’s a disparity between the north and the south, much like in the Uk, it’s also got higher levels of migrants coming into the country. Within society as a whole, there’s less inequality.

Home ownership is near to 80%, I wonder what it is in the UK? Obviously Italy is far from perfect and there is growing inequality but it’s happening across europe
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There isn’t any statistic that backs that up.

Which countries have the worst income inequality in Europe?

Home ownership stats also are spurious to correlate to wealth - the poorest counties actually have higher percentages
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,164
Grendel said:
There isn’t any statistic that backs that up.

Which countries have the worst income inequality in Europe?

Home ownership stats also are spurious to correlate to wealth - the poorest counties actually have higher percentages
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There’s huge gap between those at the top and bottom with less people earning larger salaries, which is what I meant, within society as a whole you don’t get the large differences, the majority earn within 750-1000€ of each other every month.

Plus looking at the actual ‘official income’ doesn’t make sense in reality when you see people’s lifestyles.

Saying that though, the general cost of living has become more expensive, especially general shopping, and there has been an increase in soup kitchens, like food banks in the UK. The most depressing part for me here is that young Italian women are supposed to be amongst the most intelligent in Europe but actually end up suffering the worst in terms of mobility.

Considering the UK has recently been subject to a UN report I hardly think it’s the time to start trying to look down on others.

The UK issue with housing and the average debts carried by people are unsustainable in the long term, at some point I think it’s going to go horribly wrong.
 

Astute

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  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,165
Sick Boy said:
I’ve said for a while now about the EEA which is a compromise. I don’t think I’ve ever claimed anyone who disagrees with me is thick. However, others have abused those with different viewpoints and you’ve said nothing about that, I wonder why?
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Maybe because a lot of it is aimed at myself. That is what happens if you mention the faults of the EU. But if you mention the faults of the UK you get a pat on the back.

Yes there are compromises that can be made. But that doesn't make you right about everything.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,166
Sick Boy said:
You’ve gone from it assisting in countries being socially progressive to increased democracy. I was originally defending myself as somehow not being pro monarchy was being anti UK, which is a pathetic argument.

My feelings about private schools have nothing to do with prejudice, just wanting to see a fairer system for all and more investment into the education sector.
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You are right. Because I can't think of anyone who has said they are pro monarchy. But not being pro monarchy doesn't mean you want to get rid of it. They bring a lot of tourists to London. They spend a lot of money here. They don't interfere with how the country is run. So why should I say it needs to go?
 
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Astute

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  • Jan 27, 2019
  • #30,167
Sick Boy said:
My feelings about private schools have nothing to do with prejudice, just wanting to see a fairer system for all and more investment into the education sector.
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What right does anyone have to decide how others spend their money If it is legal?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 28, 2019
  • #30,168
Astute said:
What right does anyone have to decide how others spend their money If it is legal?
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I am not against private schools but I do disagree that they are given charitable status when state education is suffering badly from under investment. After all, We're all in it together supposedly.
 
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Grappa

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  • Jan 28, 2019
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 28, 2019
  • #30,170
Astute said:
What right does anyone have to decide how others spend their money If it is legal?
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Everyone should be on level playing field, so give all schools the same exemptions as clint referred to. Also qualifications should be the same in independent school as they are in state. However the independent sector has been allowed to 'opt-out' of the new GCSE's that all the state ones had to use. It would appear this is due to them wanting to see the impact of rolling out something that was badly planned, organised and implemented, as well as the idea that the older qualifications (they use the IGCSE) are perceived to be easier. Also having not to report into performance tables gives them freedom to choose what is best for the kids.

I bet every state school wanted to do the same, but again the imbalance lands where it makes the most negative impact.
 
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