What does Corbyn want then? You say it us clear and he is Labour leader.He'll probably be unseated in another election. His current situation can't exactly help him.
How can their position be clearer? Honestly, I am curious.
They set out the following process: assess the Govt deal alongside its criteria (Customs Union being key to that), if the govt failed to pass it, call for an election, and if there are no alternatives, call for a 2nd Ref.
Don't get me wrong, it is pretty complicated, but the policy framework, to me, seems pretty clear.
I was gonna check but couldn’t be arsed. They’ll wipeout every other party in Scotland
What does Corbyn want then? You say it us clear and he is Labour leader.
Don't know which way it will go. A lot of people vote for him because of the good job he does. But many will still want to vote Labour. Corbyn has lost a good MP with his actions.
Hang on.Hang on, John Woodcock was suspended from the Labour Party because he had allegations of sexual harassment made against him and he didn't want to cooperate with the internal Labour investigation! Corbyn didn't push him away, although Woodcock is not a fan, it's his alleged inappropriate behaviour.
That was the policy set at the annual conference in 2018, and Corbyn is sticking to that.
1, Your.posts are all about remaining in the EU whatever and having a go at anyone who doesn't do the same.e.
2, who said you voted for Lib Dems? So what are you making up this time?
My facts? It isn't me that constantly makes things up. You need a mirror to see who that is.
Let's look at your post in detail.No they aren’t, I’ve repeatedly said about the EEA, which isn’t “remaining in the EU whatever” - so youre making something up to fit your agenda. Yes, remain was my personal preference, but as I’ve said, I recognise that compromise is needed, hence my posts.
You said I’d vote for any party offering remain, which I believe they did at the last election - something else you’ve made up.
Also we’ve had your posts claiming posters were attacking you for criticising Cameron and Blair, which no one on here has ever done.
And then you claims others make things up.
Let's look at your post in detail.
EEA rules. So what us different between EEA and full membership other if the EU other than we would lose the small say we have presently?
So if Labour and the Tories wanted fully out if the EU and another party wanted to remain you wouldn't vote for the party that wants to remain? You don't half live to make a tall story.
Show me where I have said u have been criticised for calling out Cameron as you have stated it here. But yes me being a Labour supporter has been questioned several times as I detest what Bliar did and I don't think Corbyn should be leader. But go on then add Cameron as it makes your story look better.
Labour said they would honour the referendum and May was taking us out of the EU. So what other choice of a main party was there?Only absolute nutters vote from someone other than the big two/three parties in FPTP.
You can tell this because all the Remainers voted Labour in 2017 despite Labour saying they’d honour the referendum.
Labour said they would honour the referendum and May was taking us out of the EU. So what other choice of a main party was there?
Absolute nutters or whatever you want to call them will vote for what they want. I said lots of times that I could see a Brexit party forming if we didn't leave and that there was a chance of Farage coming back. It will happen now as we will not leave the EU in March.
If this new party takes about 1/3 Off the Tories and 1/3 off Labour it will be close. Most areas in England voted leave. How pissed off is the public that their wishes are being ignored?
And for those who say they won't get many seats if any at all.... Some areas had a large leave majority. Even the parties are getting ripped apart from infighting. This is a situation we have never been in before.
Is that a bet for nothing?We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. But I’ll happily give you a gentlemens bet that there will be no insurgent party at the next GE that polls above 15%
Is that a bet for nothing?
Don't know if I can afford that much
Nobody knows what will happen. But the racists will stay at UKIP as they have become a racist party. This new one will get the votes that left UKIP because of racism and that they got the result they wanted. But on top of this there are those absolutely pissed off that parliament are going to go against their wishes.
This isn't me saying it is what I want like some on here have alleged. It could be the worse thing that could happen. The thing is it could bring everyone around the table and sort this shite out more quickly. Get it sorted before this new party picks up momentum. And the EU certainly knows all about Farage. They won't want to risk it taking off either.
It has complicated an already complicated situation.
Let's look at your post in detail.
EEA rules. So what us different between EEA and full membership other if the EU other than we would lose the small say we have presently?
So if Labour and the Tories wanted fully out if the EU and another party wanted to remain you wouldn't vote for the party that wants to remain? You don't half live to make a tall story.
Show me where I have said i have been criticised for calling out Cameron as you have stated it here. But yes me being a Labour supporter has been questioned several times as I detest what Bliar did and I don't think Corbyn should be leader. But go on then add Cameron as it makes your story look better.
It is. Happy to do £10 to charity if you like.
Edit: also I would t worry about Farage, the man’s a joke and wants to be a celeb not a leader. He’d run a mile if he accidentally won an election.
Happy to accept. Is this a £10 that if a GE is called and nothing is sorted?It is. Happy to do £10 to charity if you like.
Edit: also I would t worry about Farage, the man’s a joke and wants to be a celeb not a leader. He’d run a mile if he accidentally won an election.
EEA is the same rules more or less. And it us paying in billions a year. We would be tied to the EU in everything but name. The main difference is we would lose the small say we have now.So you now admit that I’m not remain in EU whatever? The EEA is not remaining in the EU.
No because general elections are not fought on a single issue and it’d be insane to vote for a party based on one single issue.
You were claiming it the other week, I’m not going to waste time looking for it
EEA is the same rules more or less. And it us paying in billions a year. We would be tied to the EU in everything but name. The main difference is we would lose the small say we have now.
It is in the EU in just about every way but name.
Or do you know differently?
So how did the Labour party come to power? After all they won no seats in the 1918 general election (the first for which universal sufferage applied) despite getting roughly 20% of the vote.Only absolute nutters vote from someone other than the big two/three parties in FPTP.
You can tell this because all the Remainers voted Labour in 2017 despite Labour saying they’d honour the referendum.
You have one major problem with me. You seem to think I support anything I put on here if you are against it.So you now admit that I’m not remain in EU whatever? The EEA is not remaining in the EU.
No because general elections are not fought on a single issue and it’d be insane to vote for a party based on one single issue.
You were claiming it the other week, I’m not going to waste time looking for it
Yes it would be foolish to vote for a one trick pony. Because there is a slight chance they could win the whole bloody thing. But this is why several of us have been saying it would be dangerous to ignore the will of the people. This is from both sides if view on Brexit.
That is what I have been saying. Nothing is ideal. About half of the country will be unhappy at whatever happens.The country would be able to secure its own separate trade deals for starters.
But I agree that it is hardly ideal but what is the other solution and a way to find a compromise and unite people?
At the moment I can see a deadlock continuing. The EEA option was also put forward as a solution by Grendel, so it goes to show that it could be a position to take initially as workable for both sides before working out where to go from there.
At last we agree on something. You have always ignored when I have said similar and waited for a post you could have a go at.As I too have said multiple times, I think it would unleash something very, very ugly.
I genuinely think the country will not recover for a long, long time, society has fragmented and I don't think there is going to be a solution any time soon.
Liberals agreeing not to stand in seats where they'd split the vote against ConservativesSo how did the Labour party come to power?
At last we agree on something. You have always ignored when I have said similar and waited for a post you could have a go at.
This is the nightmare scenario I have been saying about. And nobody knows which way it will go.
But I agree that it is hardly ideal but what is the other solution and a way to find a compromise and unite people?
'Leave' having won, why should the objective now be to 'unite the people'? Isn't that really just pandering to those who have never accepted the result? Shouldn't it be more about Remainers being grown up, accepting that we're due to leave on March 29th and making every possible preparation to make it a success?
Hang on.
Woodcock has frequently been vocal against Corbyn. Yes an allegation was made. He 100% denies everything. There has been no evidence. But they didn't follow procedures. They were told that they had to follow procedures. They still refused to follow. John then resigned from the Labour party and went independent.
MP John Woodcock quits Labour amid disciplinary case
Yes I do know him personally. One of his children was in the same class of one of mine. He is working on a local project where my wife is on the committee. He actually cares about our community. He is also very generous. The last sports day I was at was very hot. He got permission off the head to let an ice cream van onto the school field and he bought every child an ice cream. You should have seen the queue.
Not true though is it.I know this, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s alleged to sexually harassed a former colleague. The Labour Party has a duty to investigate that, whether or not he is a critic of Corbyn or not. Frankly, Woodcock has claimed an investigation would ‘rigged’ but there’s no evidence of that. It’s convenient that because he’s resigned the Labour Party whip, he doesn’t have to face this investigation. Doesn’t exactly scream of innocence and he hasn’t pushed for an independent enquiry like he said he would. The bottom line is this: Corbyn nor his policies specifically made Woodcock leave the Labour Party. He left to avoid a Party investigation into his conduct, funnily enough, because he’s no longer a member of the party, he can’t be sanctioned.
It sounds as if you’re a bit too close to this to be fully objective as you seem to know and respect this man. But, you were pretty quick to assume the guilt of John Bercow, pretty ironic.
1, Your.posts are all about remaining in the EU whatever and having a go at anyone who doesn't do the same.e.
2, who said you voted for Lib Dems? So what are you making up this time?
My facts? It isn't me that constantly makes things up. You need a mirror to see who that is.
I know this, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s alleged to sexually harassed a former colleague. The Labour Party has a duty to investigate that, whether or not he is a critic of Corbyn or not. Frankly, Woodcock has claimed an investigation would ‘rigged’ but there’s no evidence of that. It’s convenient that because he’s resigned the Labour Party whip, he doesn’t have to face this investigation. Doesn’t exactly scream of innocence and he hasn’t pushed for an independent enquiry like he said he would. The bottom line is this: Corbyn nor his policies specifically made Woodcock leave the Labour Party. He left to avoid a Party investigation into his conduct, funnily enough, because he’s no longer a member of the party, he can’t be sanctioned.
It sounds as if you’re a bit too close to this to be fully objective as you seem to know and respect this man. But, you were pretty quick to assume the guilt of John Bercow, pretty ironic.
Not true though is it.
He resigned from the Labour party and has referred himself to an independent process. It is what Labour refused him. They wanted to be judge and jury. They have wanted rid of him for years. He has campaigned against antisemitism in the Labour party for a long time. He has been very outspoken at what is wrong. And we all know plenty is wrong. But many want nothing done and those that try to be silenced.
Did you read the article properly and not through Labour party goggles?
This is one allegation. It was alleged by a party member. Bercow has had several over several years. They have been against those from all parties. There are clips on YouTube of him bullying people. He has gone beyond his job. He said he would not go for re-election to stop it going any more forward. Now he has gone back on his word.
But of course both are the same.......
Bercow should buy more ice cream for kids.
Is that a bet for nothing?
Don't know if I can afford that much
Nobody knows what will happen. But the racists will stay at UKIP as they have become a racist party. This new one will get the votes that left UKIP because of racism and that they got the result they wanted. But on top of this there are those absolutely pissed off that parliament are going to go against their wishes.
This isn't me saying it is what I want like some on here have alleged. It could be the worse thing that could happen. The thing is it could bring everyone around the table and sort this shite out more quickly. Get it sorted before this new party picks up momentum. And the EU certainly knows all about Farage. They won't want to risk it taking off either.
It has complicated an already complicated situation.
'Leave' having won, why should the objective now be to 'unite the people'? Isn't that really just pandering to those who have never accepted the result? Shouldn't it be more about Remainers being grown up, accepting that we're due to leave on March 29th and making every possible preparation to make it a success?
You lost, get over it was the slogan of gleeful leavers having steered the country into the present mess. Do you honestly think that with the prospect of no deal, money and jobs starting to move out of the country and no benefits on the immediate horizon, that people are in the mood of pulling together with leavers?
So how did the Labour party come to power? After all they won no seats in the 1918 general election (the first for which universal sufferage applied) despite getting roughly 20% of the vote.
The fact is a new party can rise from nothing even in the current system but it takes time to get even a foothold but at some point it can break the barrier imposed by FPTP and become one of the parties.
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