Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I thought the UK was still innocent until proven guilty? You seem to have made some pretty serious allegations here.
Why defend him? Oh yes he is a remainer.
His position is to be neutral. Full stop.
He enjoys bullying women. And yes the bullying is at work. How long would you last in your job if you bullied women? Are you trying to say it is OK what he has done? Would you be defending him if he was breaking the rules to help leave?
Sometimes you need to leave your extreme bias behind because what they have done is wrong. But not surprised by any of those who agree that a woman bullying tosser is doing a good thing.
Even if they were do you think they’d have been allowed one?
There were leavers pre-referendum saying how they’d want another one if it was close, for some reason they’ve gone quiet on the matter.
What are you talking about now?
It's quite clear why I labelled you an idiot for labelling people morons just because they disagree with you even when they've presented well thought out arguments.
Nothing to do with the point that was being debated which I agree with you on.
There were leavers pre-referendum saying how they’d want another one if it was close, for some reason they’ve gone quiet on the matter.
I've got no time for then either.
The referendum was a once in a lifetime thing.
Says who?You? You don’t decide whether people vote again or not. Democracy is not a once in a lifetime occasion. That is dictatorship.
Says who?You? You don’t decide whether people vote again or not. Democracy is not a once in a lifetime occasion. That is dictatorship.
It's completely about the point being debated on.
I don't care if you are a leaver or remainer, wanting a second referendum is completely absurd.
You can do your usual 'what are you talking about now' line, but the point I'm making still stands. Wanting a second referendum makes you a moron. Especially when those try to make it out to be anything other than being a sore loser and wanting to overturn the result.
Didn’t you say there should not be another vote again if we voted to stay second time around?
So let's have a second referendum next week.
Schedule a third for the week after that.
Maybe a forth the week after.
This is from the pro-remain leaflet that millions was spent on.
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Yes. I said it should be the end of referenda. Future membership of the EU should be decided by the parliament- as it should have always been.
So it should now then surely?
Interesting (appears neutral/fair) article
Post-truth politics is alive and well in Brexit Britain - CNN
Two questions about the May deal for both sides.
Brexiteers - If the vote doesn’t go through it appears that a softer brexit (permanent customs union - same as backstop worst case but no chance of negotiating a different type of trade deal over next 2-3 years) or Brexit is cancelled altogether are both possible/more likely. Would you still vote against her deal and why ?
Remainers - many are pushing for a permanent customs union/closer ties with EU. Would you be happy to risk a No deal and vote against Mays deal when the backstop pretty much provides this anyway and the customs union may well be the end alternative outcome to the backstop in 2-3 years if Irish border situation hasn’t been resolved ?
I ask this as I am genuinely interested in the answers of both sides
I don’t think a no deal would actually happen, I think it’d be stopped by parliament
That’s fair enough as an answer mate....I guess that’s what a lot of Remain MPs think as well.
I think it’s probably what a lot pro-Brexit MPs think as well. The hard Brexit minority on the other hand will be hoping it happens.
I still maintain that the EEA will be the eventual outcome.
Read any news outlet. They all say the same. Even the pro EU outlets. Yet you say it is great what he has done. It says it all to me. You don't care what happens as long as you get what you want.I thought the UK was still innocent until proven guilty? You seem to have made some pretty serious allegations here.
Read any news outlet. They all say the same. Even the pro EU outlets. Yet you say it is great what he has done. It says it all to me. You don't care what happens as long as you get what you want.
You may have noticed that I keep saying that I think we will stay in the EU in some way. We don't need another referendum for it to happen.So in that case you would expect the pro brexit to vote for the deal.
I suppose where I was trying to get to with the questions is whether both sides really think the gamble of voting down Mays deal is worth it ie the risks for Brexiteers ending up with a softer brexit or no brexit at all and Remainers ending up with a No Deal. Rather than Mays deal.
Wide off the mark? You have praised Bercow for what he has done. Innocent until proven guilty? Anyone with a braincell that works knows the truth. You just want as much trouble as possible caused so you get what you want. You don't even seem to care what happens afterwards.Where have I said he is great?
I’ve already said that I’d be happy to leave for the EEA as a compromise, so you’re wide or the mark, yet again.
Wide off the mark? You have praised Bercow for what he has done. Innocent until proven guilty? Anyone with a braincell that works knows the truth. You just want as much trouble as possible caused so you get what you want. You don't even seem to care what happens afterwards.
Wide off the mark? You have praised Bercow for what he has done. Innocent until proven guilty? Anyone with a braincell that works knows the truth. You just want as much trouble as possible caused so you get what you want. You don't even seem to care what happens afterwards.
I'm surprised he's lasted this long without going insane dealing with you 3 numpty's......You’re off your head.
Am I bollocks.You’re off your head.
Am I bollocks.
You think Bercow did a good thing. Correct?
You say innocent until proven guilty although his position has kept him safe so far. Correct?
I'm off my head because I won't lie or make stuff up?
You need a reality check. Having your puppy dogs agreeing with you all the time doesn't mean that you are right. Especially as one of them was a UKIP voting racist comment making idiot until he worked out that Brexit wasn't really good for him.
I'm surprised he's lasted this long without going insane dealing with you 3 numpty's......
Hmmm Now you know that's not true..He’s supposed to be firmly remain these days ha ha ha
Saying that you would be happy to go with EEA makes everything else OK?I just said that I’d be happy to go with the EEA but you’ve just ignored that.
Only the other week you made up some elaborate story about people on this thread attacking you for not liking Blair
Plenty of people across the country believe in innocent until proven guilty, by the way. You seem to have fallen for the likes of the Mail and the Express and their demonisation of him. I don’t seem to remember you ever getting so outraged about other scandals and ministers being given positions after scandals, weird that.
No.i am not firmly remain. Just like I am not firmly leave. You know this.He’s supposed to be firmly remain these days ha ha ha
Saying that you would be happy to go with EEA makes everything else OK?
Of course you would be happy with EEA rules. It would be just like being in the EU. Same rules.
Are you saying that nobody has said anything about me making comments seen against Labour?
Innocent until proven guilty? So you think he is innocent? All these allegations that have been going on for years don't mean anything? Someone made an allegation and got paid off. This is true and in the public domain.
Bercow is 3rd in command. He holds a lit of power. If anything happened to May and her deputy he would become PM. He abuses his power. You don't care who abuses their power as long as they speak out in favour of remain. Then you pretend not to get the point I am making.
Mail and Express? You make me laugh. Yesterday a link was put up from one of them rags. But it was from a remain whatever happens just like yourself. You said nothing. My links came from those supporting remain. Shows you don't care what false information you give.
So what news outlets are allowed? Shall we see what they say?
Is this good enough? The BBC is well known for bias towards remaining when it is supposed to be unbiased.
Bercow 'should quit' after bullying report
I suppose you will.forget how to read or not give a truthful reply to this if you give a reply at all.
No.i am not firmly remain. Just like I am not firmly leave. You know this.
How about your comment from the Bercow link from the BBC link?
Will the Guardian do?
John Bercow: further bullying claims emerge against Speaker
How many more would you like? And notice that these were nothing to do with last week.
Apart from the EEA isn’t the same rules as the EU, the country would be outside of the EU, as usual the issues, I suspect, comes down to freedom of movement.
Remain what happens, just like myself? I’ve just said that I’m not remaining whatever ffs.
Personally I’m not comfortable with trial and execution via the press and social media, unlike you it seems.
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