Grendel
Well-Known Member
The only one if that hapless bunch who’d do it would be the slime ball Grieve
Yes, the prospect of leaving without a deal is pushing some Tory MPs to vote against the Government. These are senior Tories as well and could be joined by more MPs, the likes of Michael Fallon, Justine Greening (suggests a second referendum using STV), Ken Clarke (recently proposed to delay Brexit) and Dominic Grieve (Grieve Amendment is giving Parliament more power) who have recently voted against the Government.
Rees-Mogg has said he will 'always vote with the Conservatives', and he reckons pro-EU MPs pose the biggest threat to May.
Interesting times ahead indeed.
BREXIT WIN-WIN: If there's a No Deal we'll RESIGN! Remainers' warning delights Brexiteers
If my memory serves me correctly, didn't you a while back declare that you voted in the original referendum in the 1970's to join the common market ? That puts you over 60 years of age by my reckoning .No, you’re on here purely to act like a twat, usually after a visit to the pub. You are doing it very well to be fair.
Soubry has said she’d vote against the government in s no confidence vote? Really?
Which is why I say I can see us staying in the EU if the May deal goes through or not. Just don't have any idea in which way though.That’s how I understand the current withdrawal bill too. This makes it possible to begin negotiations on a future deal
She says a lot of stuff but doesn't do very much. She's an opportunist, has heavily voted for the austerity policies that helped stoke the anger that led to brexit yet takes no responsibility for it. The fact that some (apparently) left leaning remainers hold her in esteem shows their warped priorities.
The Express?Yes, the prospect of leaving without a deal is pushing some Tory MPs to vote against the Government. These are senior Tories as well and could be joined by more MPs, the likes of Michael Fallon, Justine Greening (suggests a second referendum using STV), Ken Clarke (recently proposed to delay Brexit) and Dominic Grieve (Grieve Amendment is giving Parliament more power) who have recently voted against the Government.
Rees-Mogg has said he will 'always vote with the Conservatives', and he reckons pro-EU MPs pose the biggest threat to May.
Interesting times ahead indeed.
BREXIT WIN-WIN: If there's a No Deal we'll RESIGN! Remainers' warning delights Brexiteers
Even Michael Foot campaigned with Enoch Powell.
Which is entirely understandable - why is that strange?
I wasn’t expressing a problem with it? The example demonstrates that two people from two polar opposites of the political spectrum.
The Express?
Just wait for the remain whatever lot on here. You are not allowed to quote the Express..
Oh wait silly me. You want to remain whatever so you can quote who you want :shifty:
I can see Sourby maybe doing it. But remember politicians are not the most truthful people out there.
No - they have identical ideology on Europe as does Corbyn McDonnell and Rees Mogg
It’s a natural fit as far right and far left despise centralisation
So after this rant I take it you believe what politicians say?Grendel asked who threatened to vote against the link, the article has all the information that is needed. You can find what the politicians said, be it on twitter or whatever. The fact it’s from the Express is unimportant as it wasn’t an opinion piece.
Its also on Sky News, the Daily Mail, the Sun, the Huffington Post and the Independent too — that’s off a basic google search.
It’s funny, you claim to be on ‘crusade’ for ‘the truth’, yet when I was challenged on which Tory MPs would vote against the government in a vote of no confidence, I provide names. You go off on some diatribe about me thinking I can quote whatever I want because I want to remain? It’s silly stuff. How about go and read the article and you’ll see it’s just quote a few politicians as opposed to some diatribe on how Brexit is going to be.
Grendel asked who threatened to vote against the link, the article has all the information that is needed. You can find what the politicians said, be it on twitter or whatever. The fact it’s from the Express is unimportant as it wasn’t an opinion piece.
Its also on Sky News, the Daily Mail, the Sun, the Huffington Post and the Independent too — that’s off a basic google search.
It’s funny, you claim to be on ‘crusade’ for ‘the truth’, yet when I was challenged on which Tory MPs would vote against the government in a vote of no confidence, I provide names. You go off on some diatribe about me thinking I can quote whatever I want because I want to remain? It’s silly stuff. How about go and read the article and you’ll see it’s just quote a few politicians as opposed to some diatribe on how Brexit is going to be.
No - they have identical ideology on Europe as does Corbyn McDonnell and Rees Mogg
It’s a natural fit as far right and far left despise centralisation
Funny how the far right and far left governments always end up being centralised dictatorships.
So after this rant I take it you believe what politicians say?
Look back as far as you want in this thread. I am old enough to know that you can't trust a politician. And most of all you can't trust a party leader. This includes both the Tories and Labour before you make the comment.
And isn't it strange how you think that those in support of remain will go against their own party if there is a vote of confidence yet you refuse to consider that those who want to leave could also go against their party. And that is without their party holding power to lose like the Tories.
The Express comment wasn't aimed at you in the slightest. Those it was aimed at know exactly who they are. If you wasn't remain whatever there were certain news outlets you were not allowed to quote on here. But if they had a piece in favour of remaining it was put straight up.
It’s almost as if people who have been conditioned to be far left by a repressive dictatorship such as East Germany fall naturally to the far right when liberated by democracy such as the Berlin Wall falling and the unification of Germany. It’s almost as if when you go as left as possible the next place to go is far right.
No, I don’t take what politicians say at face value. But, when politicians state publicly they’re going to vote against the Government, they’re putting their career at risk. For that reason, I’m inclined to believe they really mean that, especially coming from MPs who don’t want Brexit. Nick Boles is facing calls to be deselected from his seat for his position.
Where have I said Brexiteer/Leave MPs won’t vote against the Government? The MPs who have publicly said they will vote against the Government happen to be Remainers. Jacob Rees-Mogg has said he would vote against the Government, but, he’s just one MP and 116 other MPs have no confidence in the PM. Is it far-fetched that a number Brexiteer MPs may be willing to bring down May and/or the Government to get a Brexiteer PM? I’d say it’s not far-fetched. But, there’s not much evidence to suggest that is the case. Right now, the Remainer Tories seem the more likely to break ranks with the Government.
You added up how many would be needed for Tories to vote in a no confidence against the Tories. You then took it as though every other MP would vote against the Tories. You talk as though it is a foregone conclusion. But many will go along with their electorate. And remember the majority in the referendum was twice as large in England as it was for the UK as a whole. The DUP will vote on the side of the Tories. They have already stated so.No, I don’t take what politicians say at face value. But, when politicians state publicly they’re going to vote against the Government, they’re putting their career at risk. For that reason, I’m inclined to believe they really mean that, especially coming from MPs who don’t want Brexit. Nick Boles is facing calls to be deselected from his seat for his position.
Where have I said Brexiteer/Leave MPs won’t vote against the Government? The MPs who have publicly said they will vote against the Government happen to be Remainers. Jacob Rees-Mogg has said he would vote against the Government, but, he’s just one MP and 116 other MPs have no confidence in the PM. Is it far-fetched that a number Brexiteer MPs may be willing to bring down May and/or the Government to get a Brexiteer PM? I’d say it’s not far-fetched. But, there’s not much evidence to suggest that is the case. Right now, the Remainer Tories seem the more likely to break ranks with the Government.
It would be like turkeys voting for Christmas :smuggrin:You quoted Soubrey who is incredibly opportunist but ultimately does nothing
Tell you what - if there is a vote of no confidence against the government I’ll bet you no more than 3 Tories will jump ship to labour
£40 to charity with proof of payment - up for it?
It would be like turkeys voting for Christmas :smuggrin:
I’m already aware of this otherwise I wouldn’t have used the example.
They also had an admiration for one another and had copperated in Parliament beforehand. Despite being ideologically opposed.
The old lady who was my neighbour in Hamburg in the 80s said don’t trust either extremes. Hamburg was a red fortress before the Nazis came to power. She said plenty of them became Nazis when the Nazis took over. I was living in a traditional working class neighborhood.
Fascinating can you give an example of the co operation beforehand
Fascinating can you give an example of the co operation beforehand
You quoted Soubrey who is incredibly opportunist but ultimately does nothing
Tell you what - if there is a vote of no confidence against the government I’ll bet you no more than 3 Tories will jump ship to labour
£40 to charity with proof of payment - up for it?
Yep, 1968 they combined to defeat the Wilson's House of Lords reform.
So you believe Jeremy Corbyn is an extremist?
The wanking over David Lammy today is really quite nauseating.
I've heard several Labour supporters saying how great they'd be if he took over leadership.
Quite incredible really.
Any particular reason you don’t like Lammy?
Getting ready for a leadership battle?I don't gamble, unfortunately.
We'll have to wait and see, I'm not a fan of Soubry myself, but her and Boles' comments in public are nonetheless significant. They don't exactly have a lot to gain by making their views public.
He wants a second referendum, is that not enough?
"Alledged...claims...allegations"...no facts, nothing proven. I haven't seen or heard him show ANY bias on Brexit (nor anything else tbh)I suggest looking at evidence before making decisions. Something not dine enough on this thread.
John Bercow faces backlash over 'b------- to Brexit' car sticker
John Bercow: further bullying claims emerge against Speaker
First two links explained what has happened. Plenty more where they came from.
This is what he is supposed to do.
The Speaker
Is everyone happy with the situation?
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