The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
You previously accused me of defending it. And you posted this in reply to my post. So I know what you were implying.

Me? My mother was a single parent. I certainly couldn't afford to go. In my days only the rich or quite well off could go. But you and others either don't know the truth or make out it was easy.

Horse racing? You found so called experts that said one thing. I found so called experts that said the other. Well done Tony.

So after two years of trying to catch me out on something that is the best you can come out with.

Shall we ask Grendel to come out with a list of lies and misinformation that you have come out with?

Previously? Link please. Imply? Oh, you mean you misinterpreted what I put. Not my fault.

Horse racing. What has one link from a pro racing commentator who’s basis of his argument that horse racing isn’t cruel is his observation that protests don’t happen at every event he goes to? He also didn’t say horses love it because they continue to run when the jockey falls off like you did with your child like logic.

I don’t need to catch you out. Half the links you give dismiss your own argument if you read past the headline, which you clearly don’t otherwise you wouldn’t have linked them.

Ask Grendull what you like. So long as it’s not about the Roman Empire, the good Friday peace agreement.

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Previously? Link please. Imply? Oh, you mean you misinterpreted what I put. Not my fault.

Horse racing. What has one link from a pro racing commentator who’s basis of his argument that horse racing isn’t cruel is his observation that protests don’t happen at every event he goes to? He also didn’t say horses love it because they continue to run when the jockey falls off like you did with your child like logic.

I don’t need to catch you out. Half the links you give dismiss your own argument if you read past the headline, which you clearly don’t otherwise you wouldn’t have linked them.

Ask Grendull what you like. So long as it’s not about the Roman Empire, the good Friday peace agreement.

Yes OK Tony. At least I remember why you are blocked. You always forget that people can read and understand.

So how are UKIP doing these days?

Grendel · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
Yes OK Tony. At least I remember why you are blocked. You always forget that people can read and understand.

So how are UKIP doing these days?

When Tony was happy with anyone liking Tommy Robinson he and Mart weren’t so close

Cancel the boycott

skybluetony176 · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
He remembers the lies and misinformation that you and Tony constantly come out with better than I do. And he also seems to be happy to search when you say you don't. For instance when Tony tried to say he wasn't a UKIP voter when he had previously proudly told us he was.

I voted UKIP once. Never denied that. UKIP voter suggests I do it regularly, which I never have. On the basis of averages if you’re going to label me anything you’d have to label me a Tory voter as I’ve almost exclusively voted Tory since turning 18, that’s 28 years of voting and never missed an election. Council elections exclusively Tory. General elections once Lib/Dems, twice Labour, the rest Tory. EU elections, once UKIP, the rest Tory. There you go, the full facts. I’m a Tory voter if you really feel the need to label me.

skybluetony176 · Jan 7, 2019

Grendel said:
Makes me chuckle every time

Imposter on GMK

You should read Astutes views on horse racing if you really want a laugh. You being an animal lover I’m sure you’ll understand why he’s clueless.

skybluetony176 · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
Yes OK Tony. At least I remember why you are blocked. You always forget that people can read and understand.

So how are UKIP doing these days?

People? No. You? Definitely can’t read and understand. Hence you keep posting links that dismiss your own argument.

How’s UKIP doing? Ask Grendull or yourself. It’s yous two who’s posting history on this thread reads like a UKIP manifesto not mine. Probably explains why the racist on here label me a lefty while loving your posts.

Sick Boy · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
No I don't what?

I would love to be able to have a debate on here. But it ends up showing up false accusations more than anything.

Name a poster who has lectured you on liking Blair.

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

Grendel said:
When Tony was happy with anyone liking Tommy Robinson he and Mart weren’t so close

Cancel the boycott

That certainly shows the Tony line that voting UKIP was a protest vote to be a total lie. And this lot was after the referendum and he was still coming out with his pro UKIP rubbish.

Nice one Tony :shifty:

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Name a poster who has lectured you on liking Blair.

Can't remember who but have been asked a few times how I can consider myself to be a Labour voter but have a go at them. Normally after having a go at Bliar.

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
People? No. You? Definitely can’t read and understand. Hence you keep posting links that dismiss your own argument.

How’s UKIP doing? Ask Grendull or yourself. It’s yous two who’s posting history on this thread reads like a UKIP manifesto not mine. Probably explains why the racist on here label me a lefty while loving your posts.

Forgotten you have been caught out yet again already?

Cancel the boycott

skybluetony176 · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
Forgotten you have been caught out yet again already?

Cancel the boycott

Not sure what you think that proves.

martcov · Jan 7, 2019

Grendel said:
When Tony was happy with anyone liking Tommy Robinson he and Mart weren’t so close

Cancel the boycott

I don’t agree with everything Tony says.... or Clint .... or SB... or others. I would hope they don’t agree with me on everything.. wouldn’t be much of a debate if everyone agreed with me.. A bit different in your gang where certain leavers never challenge each other...

martcov · Jan 7, 2019

Anyway.... how effective was the fake traffic jam with 87 lorries today at Manston Airport? Do you think this show of preparedness has shown the EU how capable we are of handling a no deal situation? Or do you think that it has conclusively proved that we are not capable of organising a piss up in a brewery?

Sick Boy · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
Can't remember who but have been asked a few times how I can consider myself to be a Labour voter but have a go at them. Normally after having a go at Bliar.

I can’t imagine anyone on this thread would have a go at you for not liking Blair.

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

Sick Boy said:
I can’t imagine anyone on this thread would have a go at you for not liking Blair.

Well it has happened a few times. As like I said it has been said I shouldn't have a go at Labour for any reason if I really am a Labour voter. But if you look at the mentality of this thread I suppose it makes sense. Quite a few won't have an honest debate. And if you come out with what isn't liked you get constantly shot at.

You know it is true. Just today's posts prove so.

Sick Boy · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
Well it has happened a few times. As like I said it has been said I shouldn't have a go at Labour for any reason if I really am a Labour voter. But if you look at the mentality of this thread I suppose it makes sense. Quite a few won't have an honest debate. And if you come out with what isn't liked you get constantly shot at.

You know it is true. Just today's posts prove so.

So no one had a go at you for not liking Blair? I’ve not read today’s posts yet

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

martcov said:
I don’t agree with everything Tony says....

Instant sticking up for him I see though. Always the same posters agreeing with each other.

You won't have a go at him now as he has changed to your side of constantly defending the EU and chatting shite against those who dare to say anything that might be seen as against them.

The dieselgate posts earlier showed exactly.

Grappa · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
Well it has happened a few times. As like I said it has been said I shouldn't have a go at Labour for any reason if I really am a Labour voter. But if you look at the mentality of this thread I suppose it makes sense. Quite a few won't have an honest debate. And if you come out with what isn't liked you get constantly shot at.

You know it is true. Just today's posts prove so.

You really need to man the fuck up and stop playing the victim. People have a go at you because you constantly misinterpret everything.

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

Sick Boy said:
So no one had a go at you for not liking Blair? I’ve not read today’s posts yet

Not today. Just like I said.

Are we on a subject change now? Just lo9k at the constant sniping. They act more grown up in infant school.

martcov · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
Instant sticking up for him I see though. Always the same posters agreeing with each other.

You won't have a go at him now as he has changed to your side of constantly defending the EU and chatting shite against those who dare to say anything that might be seen as against them.

The dieselgate posts earlier showed exactly.

I don’t agree with everything he says...

How is that sticking up for him? Making things up or twisting things is your forté..

martcov · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
Well it has happened a few times. As like I said it has been said I shouldn't have a go at Labour for any reason if I really am a Labour voter. But if you look at the mentality of this thread I suppose it makes sense. Quite a few won't have an honest debate. And if you come out with what isn't liked you get constantly shot at.

You know it is true. Just today's posts prove so.

You constantly slag labour off.

Grendel · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
Instant sticking up for him I see though. Always the same posters agreeing with each other.

You won't have a go at him now as he has changed to your side of constantly defending the EU and chatting shite against those who dare to say anything that might be seen as against them.

The dieselgate posts earlier showed exactly.

Mart would stick up for Genghis Khan if he believed in the Eu. That is clear

martcov · Jan 7, 2019

Grendel said:
Mart would stick up for Genghis Khan if he believed in the Eu. That is clear

You posted a post where I criticised Tony to illustrate how I would stick up for him?

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

martcov said:
You posted a post where I criticised Tony to illustrate how how I would stick up for him?

That was when he was sticking up for UKIP. Now he sticks up for the EU whatever happens.

Notice the difference?

skybluetony176 · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
That was when he was sticking up for UKIP. Now he sticks up for the EU whatever happens.

Notice the difference?

I was actually sticking up for the march but no surprise you’re twisting it.

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

martcov said:
You constantly slag labour off.

I constantly have a go at Labour. I constantly have a go at the Tories. I constantly have a go at the EU. I defend nobody. If someone has done something wrong I say so. I am nothing like you or others on here. I don't defend anyone.

Yet I am supposed to be the one who is biased. You have even accused me of defending the Tories but couldn't find anything to back your claims up.

Look at earlier. I stated about how cars of all types cause bad pollution when being built. I said about electric cars to dieselgate. But it was claimed that I was having a go at Germany wasn't it Mart.

Then you made out I should praise the EU for fining countries as their people were driving highly polluting vehicles they allowed to be built when they knew for years they were breaking all rules. Yeah OK.

martcov · Jan 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
I was actually sticking up for the march but no surprise you’re twisting it.

He cannot stop twisting things.

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
I was actually sticking up for the march but no surprise you’re twisting it.

Twisting what?

How thick do you think we all are? The thread is there to be read.

Astute · Jan 7, 2019

martcov said:
He cannot stop twisting things.

So was you wrong on what you said to him?

You two are a joke.

martcov · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
I constantly have a go at Labour. I constantly have a go at the Tories. I constantly have a go at the EU. I defend nobody. If someone has done something wrong I say so. I am nothing like you or others on here. I don't defend anyone.

Yet I am supposed to be the one who is biased. You have even accused me of defending the Tories but couldn't find anything to back your claims up.

Look at earlier. I stated about how cars of all types cause bad pollution when being built. I said about electric cars to dieselgate. But it was claimed that I was having a go at Germany wasn't it Mart.

Then you made out I should praise the EU for fining countries as their people were driving highly polluting vehicles they allowed to be built when they knew for years they were breaking all rules. Yeah OK.

The arguments about which cars with which fuels are better are still ongoing. Transport seems to be a cause of pollution. I didn’t say you should praise the EU. I said you posted the link with the point of view of the EU. But, Brexit is about deregulation and less rules. That can only make things worse. That is not saying the EU is perfect, but the Rees Mogg version of deregulation must be worse.

martcov · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
So was you wrong on what you said to him?

You two are a joke.

No. I was right. Which means I don’t always agree with him. You are getting totally confused in your arguments.

martcov · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
Twisting what?

How thick do you think we all are? The thread is there to be read.

There are several reasonable posters making rational arguments on here, so not everyone on here is thick. Some undoubtedly are.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 7, 2019

Astute said:
1st class masters degree and you put 38,000 deaths a year down to 60? OK you are correct. Is that what you want me to say?

As I said there will be some that try and say the truth is incorrect. Thanks for proving my point?

Germany the evil puppeteer? Is this a joke?

You said about me dismissing worldwide pollution. I mentioned different forms of pollution. You say I am blaming Germany for everything. What a joke. The German car manufacturers are majorly at fault. Are you going to try and deny this? What I did point out that whichever way we go with car production there will be a lot of pollution caused. I also poi Ted out how the EU knew but did nothing. Then they fine countries for their people buying the highly polluting vehicles they allowed to be built. You tried to make out there was nothing they could do about it. Another lie.

Is it me dismissing pollution or is it yourself?

Masters degree? You should either know better or it didn't learn you a lot.

You are obsessed my man. A peer reviewed study found 60 premature deaths linked to the device in question, with another 130 at risk if it wasn't fixed by the end of 2016. European NOx limits were less stringent than the American ones which is how this all came to light in the first place. The car industry as a whole lobbied for leniency and got it. That isn't right, but tens of thousands of deaths is something of an exaggeration.

Impact of the Volkswagen emissions control defeat device on US public health - IOPscience

Grendel · Jan 7, 2019

martcov said:
No. I was right. Which means I don’t always agree with him. You are getting totally confused in your arguments.

So the fact he admits he admits he’d march with an EDL member as long as he didn’t hand out literature is fine by you as long as supports the EU

So by his own logic if Tommy Robinson was a ccfc fan he’d be proud to be beside him. If Mr Robinson was pro Eu you alright would be proud of him but of course not agree with all he says

My word

Grendel · Jan 7, 2019

martcov said:
There are several reasonable posters making rational arguments on here, so not everyone on here is thick. Some undoubtedly are.

Which pro leave make rational arguments in your opinion?

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